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Please can I have your HONEST opinions on Australia

235 replies

gem1981 · 12/08/2008 18:46

Hi

Hubbie and I are looking quite seriously into moving abroad

DH lived overseas (mainly the middle east) when he was growing up as his dad travelled alot with his job.

He has alsways had ambitions to move away from the UK and we have looked at the options and decided that Australia is probably our best option.

we want to move for the following reasons:

1)Better quality fo life for our DCs
2)more relaxed way of life
f3)ed up of being fleeced for every penny we earn in taxes by the UK

I suppose what I want to know is how realistic are we being in thinking that moving to Australia is going to give us this type of lifestyle or is it just a pipedream?

I would love to hear all experiences good and bad.

If you have emigrated there do you have any regrets?
Thanks

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MrsPorty · 14/08/2008 14:39

I lived in Melbourne for three years in my twenties (now quite a long time ago and pre motherhood). I had a blast - definately a much better standard of living. I was nursing and my wages went at least twice as far as they had done in the UK. Melbourne has a lot of 'culture' and a good mix of ethnicities. Great restuarants and shopping too. I made some fantastic friends who would have done anything for me and really tried to avert my homesickness at christmas times etc. My only draw back was that it is So Far Away (and the Melbourne winters were quite hard to bear - though very similar to our current 'summer'). A great place to bring up kids but you'd have to be prepared for the fact that they'd probably do what 95% of Aussies do and head to London for a couple of years as soon as they finish Uni.

Sidge · 14/08/2008 14:47

Ah thank you for clarifying the water issue ninedragons - maybe he had a tank? (I don't remember all the details of the water conversation as I said, we had drunk rather a lot of luvverly Aussie wine )

TheFifthApe · 14/08/2008 14:50

LOL at ThePlumber

arf

gettingserious · 14/08/2008 21:28

LOL at ThePlumber. Great post.

katyjo · 14/08/2008 21:53

I lived in Melbourne for 2 years and wouldn't say the Aussies are sexist or racist, they are alot less 'pc' than we are here and call a spade a spade but I found that really refreshing. I found Melbourne to be very multicultural.
I would love to go back as I think it would be wonderful for the kids but I really struggled with missing freinds and family, it takes a long time to make really good friends which is something I hadn't appreciated. I made some lovely friends I found aussies to be really friendly, but it takes time to feel comfortable and relaxed with new people.
My advice is give it a go, if you don't you may regret it, but once you go you will always be torn between two different lives and countries, there is no easy solution.

Be prepared to allow 6-12 months just to settle in it is a big move.

MelbourneMum · 15/08/2008 00:24

Ghosty I love you and and was looking forward to the 25th but I'm now having to re-think, as being Australian and all, I will most likely be rude to you, make extremely sexist comments and not have an intelligent or 'cultural' thing to add to the conversation. Sure you still want to come?

Gosh we'd better hope dh isn't here, just looking at him might make you want to poke your eyeballs out and there I was thinking he was actually pretty gorgeous. Don't worry, I'll make sure he's off to a local building site early to leer at passing women. You know how that's EVERY Aussie bloke's style.

Now that I think about it, because we Aussie's tend to stick together, I don't think you and Wilbs should come, being Brits and all, I might just stick with Supaloopy, best to be on the safe side don't you think? You understand don't you mate?

suzywong · 15/08/2008 00:42

Actually, I am NEVER whistled at by builders. NEVER. Despite my best parading.
I do, however, turn the cliche on its head and leer at the divine young men in navy singlets and shorts. It would be impolite not to.

ThePlumber's last sentiment about feck off back home if you don't like it is what 99% of those Australians, home growns and imports lucky enough to have permanent residency granted think. And that is perfectly fair enough.

And that's the great thing about being a guest in a new country. No one forced you, you clearly had the economic ability to make a decision about where you bought your expensive air ticket to so if you are going to moan about it feck off back to where you came from.

I am genuinely puzzled about Sidge's father and his shortages of fresh vegetables and water. Perhaps someone is mounting a personal vendetta against him as I have never heard of either thing actually occuring. Does he actually live in the Perth Metro Area?

gettingserious · 15/08/2008 00:44

Oh yes! I forgot about the lack of fresh vegetables! LOL.

Ozziegirly · 15/08/2008 00:54

To be fair, I ran out of onions the other night. It was a panic, but then I went to the shop and lo! onions galore. Disaster averted.

Ozziegirly · 15/08/2008 00:58

Other posts aside - have a bit of a read of Bill Bryson "Down Under" - I actually think it's a great look at what Ozzie life is like from a foreigner's perspective. He "gets" the sense of humour.

But the most important thing is to visit! See what you think.

If someone posted "what are your opinions of the UK" and you had a farmer from Devon, a city slicker, an urban mum, and a low earner from Hull I'm sure you'd get totally different outlooks - and Australia is a pretty big place....

thumbwitch · 15/08/2008 01:12

I told DH about this thread today - he agreed with some of the points, especially about the superficial friendliness that doesn't go any further - while he was at Uni as a mature student, only in his late 20s so not THAT old, he found it very hard to break into the cliques of people who knew each other from school or wherever. He made one friend, an older guy, which considering the size of Newcastle Uni (Australia) and the 1000s of people on his business degree, was a pretty poor percentage! and he ain't a shy retiring type, he's quite capable of making friends when people will let him.

But he did also say that it's easier to make friends at work - going to be tricky for me as I am hoping to be a FT SAHM when I get there - but presumably there will be some other mums I can get to know.

Inane question(s) coming up for Australian mums - are there a fair number of older mums or are they mostly pretty young? And is there a similar kind of playground politics/ one-upmanship that I have read about existing in the UK and USA? Cos that would kind of limit my chances of making friends among the mums...

suzywong · 15/08/2008 01:16

Age of mums depends on the demographic

agree about cliques and superficial friendliness

I've made some very good friends, not many, but they are ones who swear, who admit to life not being rosy all the time, have a political opinion and don't live in a brand new house oh and most importantly have lived in a city outside Perth for a portion of their life or have actually lived overseas.

You'll be OK, but pick your marks.

gettingserious · 15/08/2008 01:19

Thumbwitch, I am a SAHM and I have had no trouble at all making friends. Seriously, I found it easier here than any of the other moves within the UK I've made in the past. As in the UK I think the age of mothers probably varies according to where you are. Most people I have met are in their 30's with first babies.

thumbwitch · 15/08/2008 01:27

Thanks for your answers Suzywong and gettingserious - I guess I'll just have to wait and see what the demographic is like where we are going. We're there for 3 weeks in October to scope out the house we are moving to (we're so lucky, MIL has a "spare" house that she has been renting out for the last few years! now we are going to rent it) so I shall try and check out the schools and baby clubs etc. and see how old everyone looks!

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thumbwitch · 15/08/2008 01:37

ah but anniemac my DH is Australian so not a stranger...

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thumbwitch · 15/08/2008 02:01

well, I don't really have the same sort of choices as an English couple choosing to move to Oz - I am going because DH is Australian and he wants to go back and bring up our DS (and any future DC) in Oz. I am not unhappy about going but am wary of pitfalls. But, if I don't like it, I won't have the "feck off out of it" choice either as I couldn't deprive my DC of either their dad or me.

So it's a hybrid life for me as an expat stranger in a strange land

eidsvold · 15/08/2008 02:10

get your mits off our rice ghosty - she is a QLD girl - like most of the other swimmers. not that we are a parochial lot but I did see a thing about a QLD medal tally in the paper.

as to the rest of you - you will find dickheads wherever you go. But by and large Australians are a pretty easy going lot who judge you on your merits not on who you are, who you married or where the hell you went to school - let along whether you are a colonial bastard or not.

I as an aussie have never had trouble making friends wherever I have lived - overseas or here in Australia. Have lived in small country towns - and I mean small, large metropolis and I would say that I have seen all sorts of racism on both sides. I think by and large the average intelligent australian is neither racist nor sexist - if you want to talk about the local knob at the pub then sure - you will find it.

If you are on tank water and you run out - you buy more to fill up your tank - problem solved. Never had a problem with either water or fresh veges - again no matter where I lived.

I think you should give yourself two years at least to settle down and sort yourself out. I also think if you make the move - do it whole heartedly.

WHen I moved to the UK - I resigned my job even though it was good and I could have had a number of years unpaid leave - and they would have held my job open. I didn't sell my house as the equity would have been worthless - kept it as a rental - but had no ties and came close to selling it a couple of times when the market picked up.

I had no plan of coming home - until I met dh and had dd1. Then I wanted dd1 to grow up in Aus - with a better climate, better standard of living than we could provide her with in the UK.

I am now a SAHM to two ( dd1 is in school) the local state school - fabulous schools within a 5 minute walk or 5 minute drive - no need to move across the city or lie about where I live in order to get her into a good little school. No need to send her to private school cause this one is fab. As a child with sn she certainly has had access to more assistance in terms of therapy, playgroup and experiences than she had in the UK. We manage very nicely on one wage. No huge trips back to the Uk as yet BUT dh did manage two trips within a matter of months when his father fell ill and then died.

yes it is a long way - but what the hell - a plane trip. I think Aussies are more philosophical about distance than other people. I remember thinking nothing of driving over 1000kms for a weekend. Down friday night - home sunday for a party.
Driving 5 hour round trip to spend the day with my sil. We take a 4 hour round trip to have a picnic and play at a different park.

Culture is what you make it. My dds love going to the museum. Dh and I have been to the art gallery etc. We have seen a variety of shows and concerts. I have seen plays and musicals.

Aussie film industry has made some of the best films. We have world class authors - both children's and adults. We have a scientific community that is highly regarded around the world. We also shock of shocks have bloody good sports people that we revere like gods - maybe not the best thing but I think we laud achievement on many scales.

Aussies embrace change - we like new ideas and things like - god forbid the dreaded EFTPOS or chip and pin that you lot have in england. We have had it for years - in fact I was gobsmacked to be asked to sign for a debit card sale!!

here

claudiaschiffer · 15/08/2008 02:13

ooo thumbwitch you could be me! Same age, same Aussie DH (well, obv different dh's but both Australian iyswim ). Also similar situation inasmuch as dh had longing to go 'home' to bring up our children. So I more or less had to agree or put up with a very sad and miserable DH in the UK.

But . . . it is good here, I have lots of friends both English and Australian, men and women. All this racism/sexism talk is wearisome and boring so ignore it. Don't worry about being an ancient mum, I am a few years older than most of the mums that I know but not that much and good lord I can show those young mothers a thing or two, I'm not that decrepit.

We have been here just over 2 years and there have been ups and downs mostly to do with settling in issues which aren't really about Australia but to do with living away from home. And so I'm sure would be the same wherever we lived. And when I do have a bad day, I can always head off to the beach, take a walk in the park and be delighted with the beautiful environment, happy children (mine) and happy husband.

Lots and lots of pluses about being here.

eidsvold · 15/08/2008 02:15

i love it - dh who is a brit - loves it - has no desire to ever go back to england. Our girls are thriving. To live the lifestyle we have and live in an area like we do equivalent in the UK - both of us would have to work and that is not what we want for our children at this point in time.

thumbwitch · 15/08/2008 02:17

Thanks ClaudiaS - that does help.

Actually, I know it is a sidetrack but I'm hoping someone on this thread might know the answer - we are going to Oz in OCtober, DS will be 10mo. Do we have to take some kind of carrycot for him, or will the airline supply one, or what? What have others of you done in this situation?

eidsvold · 15/08/2008 02:18

you can ask for a skycot when you book but it will be on a first come first served basis at check-in. If you can afford it - get him his own seat and take his car seat. We did that for dd1 - she was almost 2 and she slept snatches in her reclined car seat.