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Please can I have your HONEST opinions on Australia

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gem1981 · 12/08/2008 18:46

Hi

Hubbie and I are looking quite seriously into moving abroad

DH lived overseas (mainly the middle east) when he was growing up as his dad travelled alot with his job.

He has alsways had ambitions to move away from the UK and we have looked at the options and decided that Australia is probably our best option.

we want to move for the following reasons:

1)Better quality fo life for our DCs
2)more relaxed way of life
f3)ed up of being fleeced for every penny we earn in taxes by the UK

I suppose what I want to know is how realistic are we being in thinking that moving to Australia is going to give us this type of lifestyle or is it just a pipedream?

I would love to hear all experiences good and bad.

If you have emigrated there do you have any regrets?
Thanks

OP posts:
katierocket · 30/08/2008 13:20

Yes it is a long haul isn't it. But the pennisula is so lovely. Where are you moving from? do you have family out there already?

lulalullabye · 30/08/2008 20:55

Hi, we are moving from Leeds and we do know a few people out there. Our childrens Godparents are moving out there in Nov and I met a few lovely mumsnet people when we went out in March.

Where are you going from and what do you do. Dh is an engineer and has got a consultancy job in the city. After we applied for the visa, from the medical it only took 1 month to be approved.

teslagirl · 05/09/2008 17:12

Hi, all- reviving this a bit!

5 years ago, I came back to the UK after 15 years in Oz. I now have Oz citizenship, an Aussie DH and 2 dual nationality DSs!

I lived, whilst younger, in Melbourne (rubbish winter weather!), Sydney and 'settled' in Brisbane for several years before moving up to the Sunshine Coast near Noosa.

DH was the one who wanted to try his hand in the UK in his new career, IT. He got a year's unpaid leave from his govt job in Queensland- but has now quit altogether. He's pretty keen to stay for the time being, anyway! He loves being able to go out walking just about anywhere, a history, English pubs, the Continent a short hop away, a robust media, a wider divergence of political opinion and a wider circle of friends of differing views. He's not particularly sporty, either, and finds the Australian attitude to sport a bit objectionable- the 'win at all costs/winner takes all' attitude as opposed to the English one which tends more towards the gracious victor congratulating the efforts of the sanguine loser! Not "Loooooser!", making an 'L' shape on one's forehead. (You'd've laughed at the Australian media's FURY when Team GB was in 4th place in the Olympic medal tally- and we all maybe remember how John Howard, the then-prime minister THREW the winners medals at our cricket team a few years ago? Graceless. DH was ashamed to be Australian at those times!)

We owned a big, 4 bedroomed, study, 2 internal garaged house on 2500 sq m with a pool in suburbia. But you know what? I don't miss it! There's practical reasons to 'whinge about the sun'- it's lethal to baby skins! I spent hours slathering sunblock onto the boys, slapping hats on ALL the time, long sleeves ALL the time. The beach was a 10 minute drive away but we simply didn't go there between 10-4pm, which, when you consider the latest it ever gets dark on the Sunshine Coast in 6.45pm, doesn't give you long! the winters are cold in the mornings but turn into clear, cloudless, still, featureless days. For weeks on end. Sunset at 5pm.

I'm a keen gardener which was great in that things grew in super quick time but I did tire of the wildlife amongst the tropicana- the snakes, vast spiders and centipedes 6" long- all in the undergrowth of a suburban garden, mind!

Educationally- well, 36% of Oz kids go private. Fine, but a couple of factors: That leaves 66% of kids ON AVERAGE which, to call a spade a spade means perhaps not the most 'aspirational' offsping in your local secondary. Also, on The Coast we had a choice of SIX private secondaries costing around $4-5K a year BUT they were ALL church schools from Christian Fundamentalism x 2 (complete with a Creationist doctrine!), Lutheran, the (expensive) Anglican, a Methodist (!- didn't allow raffles til recently!) and Catholic. There's also no OFSTED so you have to rely on local gossip!

I think Oz WOULD be a great place to bring up a certain type of kid- one passionate in sport, mainly, who really wanted to spend every waking hour outside (complete with sunblock..). But I had a friend who's DS was openly called 'gay' by other boys at his private school (to the smirks on the faces of passing teachers) for choosing music practise over cricket!

As for adults, just an interesting observation: I worked in a large district general in Brisbane for 8 years. I was amazed at the extent to which I discovered that the British-born porters and cleaners who'd emigrated to OZ never, never wanted to even set FOOT back in the UK whereas the doctors and more senior nursing staff, (for example,) from the UK were all quite wistful about the reality that they had kids in school/uni in Oz and had forged their non-transferable earning capacity careers in Oz thus weren't in a position to emigrate back to the UK. Much though many would have liked!

Now what do I hate about the UK?

The sheer number of PEOPLE here! The rubbish summer we just had (though Brittany saved the day...), the way in which the motorist is fleeced at every opportunity (but I must say I'm thinking of how we WEREN'T in France rather than Oz to be fair!). I dislike the way one's income is increasingly becoming a measure of one's worth in the UK (though don't go imagining there's no class system in Oz! It's just more based on cash than culture!- go to Sweden for less of that!).

Anyway, I could bang on but I have to go wake up my slobby bil from a small rural town in Queensland who's just spent 5 weeks snoring on my sofa, waking just long enough to complain about how everything is better back home...!

Bridie3 · 05/09/2008 17:35

Sydney's fun and stunning (you can't get tired of the harbour and the Botanical Gardens) but I find it VERY materialistic. A lot of people are very, very interested in what you wear, what you drive, where you live. Perhaps this is just my familymost of which is Australian/living in Australia, apart for us. There are some great shopsWitchery is brilliant for clothes. I like the department stores like Myer in Sydney.

Lots of culture, lots of cosmopolitanism. If you look along a street in central Sydney it will be AT least as multicultural as anything in London.

Food is good, especially the fruit and fish and anything Asian (apart from Indian, my brother tells me). Eating out costs less than it does here and I have eaten some of my best meals ever in Sydney. I've heard Melbourne's even better.

Sydney houses are freezing in winter because they are built to let heat out not keep it in. Don't do what I did on my last trip (August) and leave winter clothes behind. However, the sun seems to come out more in winter than it does here and those blue skies just do something to your spirits.

Generally people are friendly and helpful. Not always completely reliable, though. Several taxis never turned up--no black cabs to hail where my brother lives. I missed them.

I wouldn't live there myself because European culture means too much to me. I love being able to be in another foreign city in less than three hours.

teslagirl · 07/09/2008 17:34

It has to be said, Sydney is a fab city. But, once again, and like London not being 'England', it ain't 'Australia'! You need serious cash to 'do' Sydney as in live in close enough to take advantage of the the undeniable pleasures of living right by the harbour, a hoi from the Centre. Even what used to be quite scruffy beachside suburbs like Bondi and Manly are so upmarket, there's no room for the everyday folk any more- they live in the MILES of suburbia way out west, a 2 hour commute from the CBD.

I reread my offering above and my first impression was that it was rather reactionary based of the pent up irritation I've silently endured having my true-blue 100% fair dinkum, 'no worries' b-i-l staying....but really, he SO epitomises rural Australia it's not funny! BUT I'm sure he'd be stereotypical red-neck, small town America, too, with a slight adjustment of accent! Both huge countries with an unbridgeable town and country divide!

katiek123 · 16/09/2008 14:47

i agree with claudiaschiffer's very well-written points completely. it is a mixed bag. kids love it - no question. the weather you get used to (though the sun cream is a friggin' PITA i have to say, esp constant applications to squirming young kids!) but i found the humidity in brisbane unbearable in the summer months. i have also lived in perth and would really really warn you about its isolation - we loved it for a year but i would never live there. basically claudia nailed it - if you're close to family and friends think very carefully. we came back for this reason and have no regrets, though it was a tough decision. i agree too that it wasn't as easy as you might think getting to know the aussies - i had lots of friendly superficial acquaintances through kindy etc but my close pals were all brits for the reasons she gave - aussies are all smiles and surface friendliness but their incentive to get to know the real you isn't always huge - they have their circle of family and friends already. good luck with your decision!

Hethbell · 03/12/2010 12:59

I've just coming back to the Uk after living in Adelaide and before that Melbourne. cladiaschiffer is spot on. We only came back because my husbands work. I really missed things like the BBC news as media rubbish as are the radio stations and TV.
In summary it's the same sh** in a shinnier bucket!

GroovyGretel · 10/12/2010 22:36

I'm reading this and quaking slightly in my pj's. My husband has been offered a 2 year contract in Brisbane - starting very soon and with very little notice - and I'm slightly freaked out about moving somewhere I've never been.

We'd be taking our dc (7 and 5) and thinking of it as an adventure. What would you suggest as being the best thing to do - hire a furnished house or ship our stuff over?

I don't really know where to start!!

echt · 13/12/2010 19:47

GroovyGretel You need to post this as a separate thread. This is a very old one, and you might not get responses.

eidsvold · 14/12/2010 09:03

put your stuff in storage - renting a furnished house is somewhat difficult but you can kit a house out with decent furniture relatively reasonably - especially the little stuff and then have a garage sale when you leave.

We moved back to Aus had a house but nothing much else - really easy to fill it - linen, electrical goods etc - easy to pick up.

We sent over three huge boxes with stuff we did not want to live without- and a suitcase each when we came back on the plane.

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