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Life in America with primary age children

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WhattodoSue · 07/09/2016 10:41

We are seriously considering relocating to the US (I have a US passport, but have never lived there). We have just spent an amazing month there, but I'm very aware that a month's holiday is NOT the same as daily life. We love the heat (we were in Texas, although during their rainy period, so it was cooler than normal), and I'm craving a slightly more relaxed lifestyle (we live in London). BUT, I know traffic is terrible in lots of parts of the US (not even considering the quality of the driving, or lack there of). So, I'm trying really hard to get a realistic idea of the pros and cons, and whether it would be a better lifestyle. So, please, tell me what you love about life in America, and what you hate, and whether or not you enjoy your lifestyle. I should perhaps say that we wouldn't have a massive income, I think it might be something like $130000 before tax (which does sound huge, but is obviously not much compared to banking/tech incomes).

We could potentially move anywhere (dependent on me getting an Assistant Professorship in a good University department), and so I'm also really interested to know what life would be like in different parts of the US. The parts I know best are California, which I understand is quite expensive, and Texas, which we actually quite like. I don't know anything in the middle, or the east coast very well at all. I do know that I like the diversity and tolerance of London - but possibly it isn't wise to go to the US to expect that.

Finally (for now), how easy/hard is it to make friends? I realise that is going to be very dependent on the individual, but we wouldn't be part of any church communities etc. and I'm worried that that might be a barrier (particularly if we ended up in Texas).

Any thoughts, experiences, suggestions, advice would be very appreciated!

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idontlikealdi · 14/09/2016 18:12

I just typed a massive reply and it disappeared, GAH.

Basically what about Colorado, particular Denver or Golden. Amazing lifestyle, great weather, mountains on the doorstep.

Fil lives there - I'm trying to convince DH to move!

EllyMayClampett · 14/09/2016 18:39

Don't discount Birmingham, Alabama, or Waco, Texas, or Omaha, Nebraska, take a look everywhere!

Good point. University towns tend to be in their own little bubbles anyway.

mylaptopismylapdog · 14/09/2016 19:41

I have been lived in Virginia near Washington and had very welcoming neighbours, I did get asked which church I belonged to by a neighbour's mother but other than that nobody mentioned church. We did get quite heavy snowfalls sometimes in winter my kids loved it as the schools closed and they had never seen so much snow at home, (the time was added to the end of term). My children were primary and secondary age and both enjoyed and benefitted from the experience, we all did. I have been to Columbia South Carolina several times in the last few years and felt very comfortable there. It also has the advantage of not being to far away from nice coastal areas to make them drivable. Near in to Washington may be too expensive but I would rule out Virginia completely particularly as you could drive to Washington and New York. My son was taken to see the rolling thunder parade on Memorial Day by a neighbour, something we didn't know about but he will never forget.

mathanxiety · 26/09/2016 06:09

For museums and universities, cosmopolitan feel, variety of restaurants and ethnic groceries and communities, and a fairly liberal political landscape, how about Chicago?

Winters are cold and go from late November to March, more or less. Summers are very much appreciated.

Property taxes are high in the municipalities where schools are good - the taxes pay for the good schools and other public facilities, and services like the police force.

Here's an idea of the facilities in the very mixed income, progressive (it is known as 'The People's Republic of X') and determinedly desegregated suburb where I live:
Huge main library and two branch libraries
Park District that runs -
A multitude of after school and preschool activities and classes year round
Two outdoor public pools, both with baby/toddler area, water slides
Indoor recreation areas for boy scout and girl scout groups and also for organised classes offered by the Park District for all ages
Public tennis courts
Public baseball/softball/t-ball fields, soccer fields, basketball courts, playgrounds, skate park
Gymnastics centre
Year round ice rink
A few dog parks
A conservatory
Chaperoned getaways like all night skiing for teens
Activities are non-stop for all ages.

The public school facilities are out of this world. I was gobsmacked when I was what was offered. There is a huge range of extra curriculars and a high level of participation. My DCs got tired of hearing me tell them how lucky they were. I can only imagine what I would have had to pay for similar educational environment in Ireland (where I am from). Actually I know what my Dsis pays for a fraction of what my DCs get so I don't have to imagine. Best of all, I found the teachers and counsellors incredibly positive and professional and dedicated to each child's success. I love the GPA system, having been through the Irish Leaving Cert and Matric. And there's no uniform!

In approximately 4.5 square miles there are between 50,000 and 60,000 residents, several separate shopping areas, several supermarkets, two local/city train lines and one regional line, bus service in all directions, over 50 houses of worship, 20 languages are spoken in homes, huge income diversity, three theatres, a semi art house cinema (something for everyone), a renowned children's choir, a symphony orchestra, bike lanes on major streets, 'Divvy' rent a bike locations, neighbourhood organisations, sport organisations with volunteer coaches, busy PTOs, great independent ice cream and local pizza places and small bookshops, art supply shops, private schools of many stripes including religion based and Montessori and excellent public schools.

People shovel the sidewalks when it snows, and children play out in front of their houses. There are alleys in the back where the garages open onto, and people put up basketball hoops there for pretty much public use. There is a relaxed attitude to children retrieving balls from other people's yards, neighbours tend to know each other and each others' children, and people care about the schools.

I agree that you need to approach Americans with an open mind and focus on the positive. People don't like to hear how much their healthcare system sucks or how much better British people drive, etc. People like to go along and get along, and tend to steer clear of controversial topics of conversation - religion and politics really are sort of taboo in a diverse society and people value harmonious interaction. Be curious and smile, and try not to come across as judgey.

Wrt the cost of third level education:
State schools can be a real bargain.
If you plan on settling, do remember that your child might be able to avail of a terrific university opportunity in Michigan, Virginia, California, Illinois, Ohio, Minnesota, Wisconsin, (yes) Texas, New York, Washington (the state) and North Carolina, for a lot less than a private university would cost. US universities also offer financial aid that is needs based.

'Junior college' is a community college, offering two year associates degrees. Credits can sometimes be applied to bachelors degrees at four year institutions. They also offer technical courses like EMT training and LPN qualifications. They are not universities.

mathanxiety · 26/09/2016 06:36

This bit got chopped off somehow -
The community I live in also has several charities - a homeless shelter, a food bank, churches and schools and chamber of commerce organise coat and winter clothing drives, there is a Community Chest organisation, adult literacy organisation based in the library that pairs volunteers with students, a local scholarship foundation and many more worthy causes. It is relatively easy to make friends if you sign up to participate in community life as a volunteer in some charity. It's not always easy if you have children to take care of, but worth the effort if you can manage it.

WhattodoSue · 27/09/2016 11:41

mathanxiety I can't tell you how reassuring I found your posts. I have just come back from the US where I was at a conference which was focusing on issues of diversity and had a lot of debates about the levels of racism and segregation (social, cultural and economic if not legal) in the US. I found some of it deeply upsetting and disturbing. However, it lead me to have a look at republican states, and areas with the highest levels of racism, and it was a complex pattern. I am definitely going to wait and see what happens in the election. In the same way that hate crimes increased massively after the campaign and results of the Brexit vote, I can only imagine what effect Trump would have on the US. But hoping very deeply that he is blown out of the water, our plans would be to apply for jobs that are advertised from summer 2017. All of the input on this thread has been so very helpful - mylaptopismylapdog, Idontlikealdi, *Pitiless yank everyone, thank you. For lots of reasons, I am drawn to the east coast. November to March I could cope with for winter. I do rather love the snow, but I'm hoping further south than Quebec (where I have lived) would mean just a bit shorter, and perhaps a tiny bit less cold. Although the Autumn was incredible. Please do keep the information on where you all live, and what life is like, coming. The US is SUCH a big, diverse place.

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