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2013 ist schon da! A new Kaffeeklatsch thread for the New Year - living in Germany and Austria

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LinzerTorte · 08/01/2013 11:48

All welcome - whether you're living in Germany or Austria, have questions about life in those countries or just want to chat. Smile

Previous thread here.

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AntiqueMuppet · 05/02/2013 12:39

Hope you feel better soon, outnumbered! Sinusitus can be really nasty, ouch!

Linzer Oooh exciting, a shiny, new Kindle :) (I am still in love with mine, not so much with the amount of money it seems to eat...)

admylin, cheas and Ploom I was about to ask the same as Nutella so thanks for the links to those websites! I might be back in the UK for a weekend in the spring but I'm almost out of self-raising flour and am far too scared to bring bags of white powder back in my suitcase [wimp]

MrTumbles The meeting with the teacher sounded positive - even if you didn't get a concrete solution it sounds like the teacher was very willing to help.

Hello hupa, Bertie and platanos!

The more I hear about the school system here the less positive I feel about it! Which reminds me, I MUST get DS registered for Kiga soon.

We had a few new words this morning! Up until today the only thing DS had been saying (apart from the constant babbling in his baby language) was 'tick tock' (the boy is obsessed with clocks - I even took him into Das Depot in town yesterday as a treat to look at the clocks Hmm ) but this morning we have had 'baby' a few times and a LOT of meowing whilst pointing at pictures of cats. I saw a friend the other day whose DD is obsessed with climbing onto the table, standing with her hands in the air and saying 'ta-daaaaa'!
I need to dig out his baby book as I have been really bad at recording stuff in there - it being discussed on here has motivated me to go and look for it as I think it just landed in the cellar when we moved.

MrTumblesBavarianFanbase · 05/02/2013 12:39

X post Plantanos - get well soon to your DS. Yep it absolutely sounded 100% as if they had given up on those boys - the teacher muttered "Noch halbes jahr" with her hands in a praying position and looking at the heavens several times! Hmm

MrTumblesBavarianFanbase · 05/02/2013 12:41

Good luck at the dentists btw outnumbered :) I take all 3 together but DS2 hasn't actually had his teeth looked at by the dentist yet - he is due to for the first time next apt, which must be some time soon actually, should check really...

AntiqueMuppet · 05/02/2013 12:42

x-posts!

I hope it was a one-off, MrTumbles and that the boys aren't targeting your DD in any way.

Get well soon to your DS, *platanos!

MrTumblesBavarianFanbase · 05/02/2013 12:43

Yay for toddler talk Antique - Ds2 is older obviously but also loves to say "ta-dah!" - mainly in the context of running into a room shouting "Ta-dah! I'm back!"

LinzerTorte · 05/02/2013 13:11

platanos Oh no, poor DS, hope he's on the mend soon. It's not that long since you last had to take time off to look after him, is it? The girls' primary school teachers were/are all in their late 50s, so the whispered discussions between parents about their possible retirement began almost as soon as they'd started school.

MrTumbles Unfortunately, I hear the word gemein far too often - usually in the sentence "Seid nicht so gemein zueinander!" (from DH to the DC). Mine speak to each other in both languages; they only ever used to speak English together, but German has gradually taken over and it's definitely the more dominant language since they've all been at school/KiGa.

Antique Hurrah for new words! I wrote down the DDs' first 50 words, but didn't get round to it for DS. Blush I realise that I probably moan a lot about school here, but it does have a lot of good points - the standards in certain subjects are definitely higher than I was at school. I would probably be even more positive about it if I'd only had DD2 and DS at school - some of the other parents would no doubt still drive me mad with their fixations on Zeugnisse/grades/Gymnasium, but tbf it's by no means everyone and my SIL claims it's just a town-where-we-live thing.

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LinzerTorte · 05/02/2013 13:23

Eek - have just had my bill from the Krankenkasse; they want nearly ?1,900 a quarter from me! There's no way I'll even earn enough to cover that. Angry

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Ploom · 05/02/2013 14:15

On my ipod so will prob miss loads.

Eek linzer that seems like a lot. Is it a lot more than you normally pay?

Aw antique - love when little ones start to speak. I remember dd having only a few words till 20 months then all these words exploded out of her. Its such a cute time,

mrtumbles - glad you had a chance to meet with the teacher but it didnt sound too productive. Sounds like they've definitely given up on those boys. I would be very tempted to park up & watch what goes on in the playtime if I had the opportunity. About Gymnasium - the cut off grade was 2.33 (avg of Mathe, Deutsch & HSU) when dd was in the 4th class but the cut off for the Realschule was 2.66 so not exactly a big difference. She is perfectly happy at Gymnasium - dont feel at all that she's weighed down with pressure. Wonder if thats partly as she doesnt have to learn English vocab as well as Latin. In fact Latin is her best subject - dread when she asks me to help her learn for a test - I have no idea how to pronounce the words.

platanos - hope your ds feels better soon. You're having a proper run of poorlyness.

outnumbered - glad you feel better. Good luck at the dentist - we were all there yesterday. No-one needed anything done which is always the best kind of visit. Ds1 was just told to wobble a tooth outWink.

Waves to anyone I've forgotten.

It was all going so well with dd's brace but she phoned at lunchtime to say her gum is hurting so I'm picking her up from school & we're going for an urgent KFO appt Hmm. Wonder whether the dentist moved something yesterday when they were doing a polish?? Not overly enthused about going there with the boys but needs must.

Ploom · 05/02/2013 15:59

We were there a grand total of 10 mins Grin. Not sure what he did but it doesnt hurt anymore so worth the drive.

itsMYNutella · 05/02/2013 17:10

Gosh you've been busy on here today!
admylin thank you for the websites and the Lidl tip. I wanted to pop out to pick up some stuff from dm today and there is a Lidl nearby so I had a look.... I may have bought a few too many (DP said why not buy ten packets then they should last you until the summer -open two a month... Didn't realise he was joking :o )

antique DS has started to make sweet little happy noises and I love seeing him develop and change. Can't imagine how I'm going to feel when he starts with whole words :)

mrtumbles I've had to talk DP out of so many gadgets - last year he was obsessed for months with the idea of buying a scanner (wanted to spend 400?+) so letting him buy and fiddle with a kindle for 60? seems like a bargain! Even though it is his money I'm given veto powers for some reason... But only on big purchases when it really doesn't make sense...
Sorry to hear about the bullies. What a shame that these boys are being allowed to -to some extent- get away with bad behaviour :(

ploom if only all visits to Drs/ Dentists were so quick and successful and thank you for the website, couldn't remember the name of it.

Gosh can't believe how sensitive some parents are to the teacher changing. And speculating about a teacher getting pregnant because you're worried it'll be too stressful for the kids to deal with.... I really cannot believe that it is such a problem. There was a horrible teacher at my primary (ruined school for my older brother -it's amazing the impact a horrible or brilliant teacher can have on someone's entire school life) so glad I wasn't stuck with her for more than a year!

DS is growing and changing and refusing to sleep late morning/ lunchtime ... I have the feeling that he gets overtired. When I take him out for a walk in the buggy he sleeps for a couple of hrs -super!
But at home he doesn't like to be put down and I have the feeling that when I'm trying to go to the toilet, have a shower etc etc etc he just wants to be with me; I know he is full and clean and it isn't a hungry cry or a tummy pain cry more a where are you, why am i on my own cry Confused His tummy pain seems to be getting a bit better but he still does a lot of grunting and straining... Just please tell me it will pass and he'll be a bit more chilled.

itsMYNutella · 05/02/2013 17:18

Linzer that is a big bill! How come its so much?

Bertie check out the other websites mentioned here for English food, sometimes they are cheaper than amazon... But I'm sure it depends on what sort of quantities you're buying :o - says the woman with a cupboard crammed full of biscuits.

Glad you're feeling better outnumbered! He all the DC stay healthy!
And platanos hope DS is better soon.

Quick note about the PIL: DP put off ringing them until Sun eve. He invited them for coffee & cake next weekend but they are apparently too busy Hmm and neither PIL or DP offered another date.... Very proud of DP, although it is bothering him, he feels they are expecting an apology, he really wants them to realise that they aren't the most important people around.

LinzerTorte · 05/02/2013 17:59

Nutella Yes, it will pass - and you'll look back on it and it will seem like it only lasted for a few weeks rather than the eternity it feels like at the time! I used to have the opposite problem with sleeping; the DC would sleep well at home but would only nap for about 20 minutes if we were out and about, and would then be overtired. It was fairly easy to let DD1 nap at home but more difficult when there are older siblings to be taken to and picked up from places.

Ploom Good news that the dentist was able to sort out the problem so quickly!

Re the tax, my Krankenkasse is a law unto itself, it seems. I've paid anything from between ?300 to over ?2000 per quarter, with seemingly no relation to my earnings; the average seems to be about ?700-?800. The ?1900 does include ?700 from two years when I messed up my tax return, but ?1100 still seems like far too much to me... may get DH to have a word with them! It just seems ridiculous to be paying them more than I'm actually earning. My net profit for 2011 was over (or should that be under?) -?1000, mainly thanks to the fact that I paid the KK ?1000 more than I earned. Hmm (I filed my 2011 tax return last February, so surely the KK should be taking account of it?)

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LinzerTorte · 05/02/2013 18:00

That should be re my KK contributions - I'm not earning enough to pay tax.

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MrTumblesBavarianFanbase · 05/02/2013 18:19

Linzer that is crazy - doesn't it discourage you from working at all? Hmm DD has just replied to your DD - hadn't noticed the message sitting there, sorry :( Blush

Nutella have you tried a sling of any kind? I always think they are inside your belly for 9 months, no wonder they cry when you leave the room in the first months, it must feel so alien. Yay for little happy noises :)

itsMYNutella · 05/02/2013 18:34

Thanks Linzer it does seem like an eternity, some days more than others Wink

Mrtumbles the sling is hit and miss. Sometimes he will go off to sleep in it and other times he continues to scream/ will only sleep for 5 minute power nap bursts Confused

LinzerTorte · 05/02/2013 19:02

MrTumbles I was thinking earlier that I was better off financially when I wasn't working and was insured with DH. I do enjoy working, but am not sure I love it enough to, in effect, pay to do so. Hmm But I'm hoping that it can be sorted out somehow; I can't work out why it's so high when I'm earning so little. Btw has your DD sent her PM - there's nothing in my inbox?

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outnumberedbymen · 05/02/2013 19:28

Good evening! well, can you believe it, ds2 is ill with bronchitis again, after one week back at kiga. when I thought about earlier I remembered that it was the same last winter, where he was only at kiga 2 weeks out of 4 the most. But last year every Bronchitis turned into Obstructive Bronchitis and we narrowly avoided hospitalisation a few times. so far - touch wood - it's only been a normal (but still annoying) bronchitis.

linzer that really does seem like a high contribution to your KK, considering how much you earn. is your dh privately insured? or does Austria not have the Familienversicherung as it exists in Germany? Or would it not apply to you as you are a freelancer?

nutella both ds1 ds2 had colics. ds1 was like your ds and did not really do proper sleeps but only napped. it was exhausting, and looking at 12 weeks seemed like an eternity. With ds2 it was very odd, because the colics really did stop completely at 12 weeks. One afternoon he was still screaming his lungs out, the next day all of a sudden he didnt have tummy ache anymore.

mrtumble obviously I dont know about the Bavarian school system much, but onle the one in lower saxony. and you wouldnt get thrown out of the Gymnasium for failing Latin. actually, just to have to repeat a year, I think you need either two 5s in major subjects or three 5s in other subjects, plus average or lower grades in the others too. and afaik those 5s need to be on the Zeugnis for both Halbjahre too. to be asked to leave the school, you would need to have repeated a year twice within a couple of years, or three times within any period of time. Sorry, very confusing Grin

oh, unless someone starts Gymnasium without a Gymnasialempfehlung. in that case I think at least in the first few years there you are not allowed to repeat a year at all.

but as you say, your dd stil has some time left at primary. the problem I see in general is, that you dont just need the Abitur to go to uni nowadays, but for most other jobs/apprenticeships too.

ploom glad the dentist fixed it so quickly. I ended up having to cancel the dentist appt as ds2 was so poorly with his cough. dentist, and any other doctor, is really stressful with ds2 anyway, as he is the world's biggest refuser. he will not open his mouth. and several doctors have been hit or kicked by him just for using the stethoscope or otoscope on him. I'm never sure if that's his autism or just him Hmm

antique it's such a cute phase when they start to pick up new words isnt it. even though ds3 is (onviously) our third, it still amazes me how they just start talking. he mainly speaks in near full sentences now.

this morning I had the director of the Autismusverein here, who supplies our Integrationshelfer. I'm feeling quite emotionally drained tbh. basically she doesnt think ds1 is ready for school because of his social and behavioural difficulties. she feels he will not last longer than one term Sad however, she respects our wish that he should start this year and will be doing extra work with him to try and get him ready for school.

sometimes I do wonder where all of this is going to take us. if ds1 and ds2 will ever lead happy and independent lives. it is really hard for us and it is absolutely not how we had envisaged parenthood. but I just hope all our efforts will be worthwhile and that they will lead happy lives. sorry, dont want to dump this all on you, but I'm feeling really down. just been upstairs to change ds1 for the umpth time...at the best of times he often doesn feel when he needs the toilet, because of his sensory problems, but as long as I send him to the loo at certain times he is fine. atm he has constant accidents, but during the day as well as at night. 2 more weeks until I go on my Kur though, on a happier note Smile

I've probably got loads of xposts as I have changed beds twice since I started typing....

LinzerTorte · 05/02/2013 20:08

outnumbered So sorry to hear you're feeling low, although it's hardly surprising considering all you've been through recently. It's good that the director is respecting your wishes about your DS starting school, although it must have been hard to hear that she doesn't think he's ready. I can't pretend to know a lot about autism, but would waiting a year actually make much difference in his case? It sounds like it's quite a different situation from an NT child not being emotionally ready for school.

Re the insurance, DH is insured with the Gebietskrankenkasse (i.e. just the normal one) - the DC and I used to be insured with him, which I think must equate to Familienversicherung, but then I had to take out my own insurance once I registered as self-employed. I'm not sure whether there's any going back now, although I really don't want to give up work entirely anyway - plus have already paid pension contributions etc. via my contributions to the KK (not that they'll amount to a huge pension, I'm sure!).

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MrTumblesBavarianFanbase · 05/02/2013 20:58

Argh Linzer I just thought I'd re-sent DD's most recent message but looking at it properly I re-ent an old one - they write such similar things every time! This time DD somehow told your DD yet again that her favourite board game is Mench ärger dich nicht but this time asked her if she plays an instrument, the message was rather similar but not identical to last time... The one she wrote this eve must not have sent... I would re write it but I am not sure I will write it correctly! Perhaps I will try anyway...

outnumberedbymen · 05/02/2013 21:05

thank you linzer. yes I really dont think another year will make a significant difference tbh. the main problems why she questions his readiness for school (his general difficulties because of his autism aside) are his sudden and very aggressive outbursts, nil impulse control, and being unable to take orders/do what others tell him to do no matter how little the order is. I do think it will be hard and I think that we probably wont be able to avoid medication in the medium term, but I just dont think keeping him at preschool for another year will change that. it's heart breaking, it really is. he is such a sweet little boy with the biggest heart, but he can make my life hell. and just writing that hurts.

anyway, I am very very proud that I stayed strong and did not open that bottle of wine that's been smiling at me all evening. I shall wait until Friday evening and enjoy it even more Smile

MrTumblesBavarianFanbase · 05/02/2013 21:05

outnumbered sorry you are down - can see it is hard and different to the "normal" parenting challenges, especially in terms of the psychological burden of worry about the future. Can I ask why you want your DS to go to school this Sept though - I know he is academic, but that seems only a peripheral concern compared to independence and maturity for school readiness purposes (here at least). Will he go to a regular school? I assume so from what you have said - if so won't the toileting issues be a problem the way schools here are, or will he have a helper to remind him? I have heard of timer watches children with certain types of SN sometimes wear to remind them to go to the toilet, if they can't feel that they need to - is that an option for your DS, in the day anyway (apologies if you've already tried that).

MrTumblesBavarianFanbase · 05/02/2013 21:06

Sorry X post, I see why you want him to go now, because the issues probably won't be any different if he waits.

outnumberedbymen · 05/02/2013 21:13

mrtumbles he will be going to an Inklusive Grundschule (this for 'normal' children as well as those with special needs), and he will also have a full time Integrationshelfer with him. The Integrationshelfer will remind him to go to the toilet before and after lessons I would imagine, but that watch sounds very interesting! you cant remember what exactly it was can you? the extreme toileting troubles we have at the moment, where he wets himself several times a day, seems to always go alongside those very difficult phases. I think it's been about 9 months since the last phase of constant wetting himself. Still, at least he is out of nappies, unlike ds2 who still wears them day and night Hmm

I assume it must all be anxiety related...may be to do with dh' new job and being away loads, me going on Kur with the other two....but sometimes he has those phases without me being able to think of any reason for it.

BertieBotts · 05/02/2013 21:16

Thank you for the foodfromhome link - it's the only one I have found so far with chilled food ie the ever-elusive English bacon! DP was very pleased.

AntiqueMuppet · 05/02/2013 21:18

Ouch, Linzer, that's a nasty bill! I hope there's been a miscalculation on the part of the KK.
By the way, I dreamed last night that you came round for a coffee and demanded I warmed some custard creams up in the microwave for you. Then I gave you a lift home. To Austria. Hmm

Sorry you're feeling so drained, outnumbered. You really have had it all on your plate recently. It's positive that the Autismusverein are respecting your wishes that your DS1 start school this year. Get well soon to your DS2 and fingers crossed the bronchitis clears up soon and doesn't turn into obstructive bronchitis again. Don't feel guilty about letting it out here - get it off your chest if it helps!

Nutella I found the sling really useful at that age as DS would not be put down for a second while he was awake, so I used to stick him in the sling and hang the washing singing and dancing the whole bloomin' time which helped get me off the sofa. In fact, I think I even went to the loo with him in the sling a few times as it was the only way I could have a wee in peace Blush (Disclaimer: He was a velcro baby who nursed 20 hours a day and wanted to be in my arms the other four hours. I barely left the sofa for three months.)
It did pass though, not that I would have believed it at the time. Glad the tummy pain seems to be getting better!

Ploom Good news that the KO could sort your DD's brace so quickly!

MrTumbles Love the mental picture of your DS2 announcing his arrival in the room with a big 'ta-daaaah!' :)