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I hate, hate, hate Australia

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Einsty · 05/10/2011 07:21

So this is an unashamed venting thread, so back away now if you would love to live in Oz or do, and love it.

Short story, back a year after a decade in the UK and am still adjusting, I guess.

Aus has changed a lot, and mostly in ways I don't like. Just want to get a few things off my chest so I can stop muttering and get on with it.

First whinge: service - Australians think they are famed for it, but it is almost universally shit. Unattentive, almost resentful, and clearly beneath the person working in a shop, funky cafe or suburban small business. Want to go elsewhere because they haven't looked at you when serving you, or acknowledged keeping you waiting, brought the wrong order, not brought your order, or overcharged you. They couldn't care less.... And then I keep hearing how dire things are in retail. Any wonder!?

Second whinge: racism. I spent a decade swearing it didn't exist in multicultural Australia. Does it what? I hear curry muncher and noodle all the time.

Anyhow, that is two off my chest - I just feel that Australia is so busy boasting about itself and being self congratulatory that it is failing to realise it has taken it's eye of things that count - like truly world-class childcare and education. Standards are low and I reckon we - because I am now here for good unfortunately - will eventually regret how smug Australians are...

Sorry, came too late to the thread a few weeks ago to but in but have wanted to vent ever since...

OP posts:
Moonywormtailpadfootprongs · 03/02/2017 07:57

Its fucking racist!

Get over your childhood fantasy! and get your head out your own arse!

I saw one just the other day in the hospital shop for sale.... its not an expensive shop.

Public schools are shite in Australia.... Most people if they can send their children to Catholic or private schools. Just the other day they were talking about the levels of literacy of children entering pre-primary being appalling. and thinking of testing children...which is highly opposed.

but I live in Perth

www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-06/australian-school-performance-in-absolute-decline-globally/8098028

....But as it goes with Australians, you can't tell them they're wrong or criticise aspects of their country. You'll be told to fuck off back to where you're from...

GreatScot8 · 03/02/2017 08:00

....But as it goes with Australians, you can't tell them they're wrong or criticise aspects of their country. You'll be told to fuck off back to where you're from...

Which is a wise piece of advice considering you seem to have a real issue with the place.

Don't forget, it was you lot who invaded the country and killed off a group of people you deemed inferior. We wouldn't be here if it weren't for the Whinging Poms. Wink

Grewsap · 03/02/2017 08:01

I went in holiday to Oz, travelled round for a couple of months. I agree the Aussies were smug beyond belief and irritatingly casually racist. The low point was when I said to dh that bondi beach looked like Bournemouth and the manager of the cafe we were in refused to serve us Grin

Moonywormtailpadfootprongs · 03/02/2017 08:30

@GreatScot8

I'm not British nor am I white

I'm a black woman living in Perth.... one of those inferior people you refer to.

Maybe if you weren't so smug you'd know its not just the British who "whinge" about just how shite it is here.

It's 2017... you'd think the country would have evolved by now..but people like you prove the "whingers" right ALL. THE. TIME!!!!

TheClaws · 03/02/2017 08:32

Great. A random user has resurrected a zombie thread, probably being a GF, hasn't returned to the thread, a started a bun fight. IT'S A ZOMBIE THREAD.

llangennith · 03/02/2017 08:50

Australia is such a huge country that it's daft to say you hate it when your experience is confined to a very small part of it.

GreatScot8 · 03/02/2017 09:06

Moony, I'm still assuming you're not Australian due to your othering of "Australians".

So the sentiment still applies.

Floggingmolly · 03/02/2017 09:20

Is there "so much talk about how superior Australia is"? Really? I presume you mean amongst Australians, not any other nationality Confused

GreatScot8 · 03/02/2017 09:25

Is there "so much talk about how superior Australia is"? Really? I presume you mean amongst Australians, not any other nationality confused

I don't think this happens. I think it's a stereotype, kind of like how there's a stereotype that all Canadians are friendly. It's not actually pushed by the Canadians themselves, but by peoples' vague associations with the country and its people.

I've never heard anyone say that Australia is superior. Quite the opposite, really. The media certainly makes it seem like we live in a dismal hellhole 90% of the time!

Msqueen33 · 03/02/2017 10:32

God I hope @Einsty pops back up and tells us whether she's settled or moved. I love a good update.

Moonywormtailpadfootprongs · 03/02/2017 11:02

@GreatScot8

maybe you should apply it to yourself....

After all, you're not Aboriginal.

But this speaks volumes about your character though.

Typical Australian...

GreatScot8 · 03/02/2017 11:18

After all, you're not Aboriginal.

I didn't make a choice to come here. Where do you propose I return to? The womb?

Bloody daft comment.

Ps. If it wasn't the Brits, it would've been someone else (likely worse) who'd colonised Australia. Do you really think you'd have come out of WW2 etc. unscathed? Think about it.

FourToTheFloor · 03/02/2017 11:22

I don't think GreatScot is Australian. And how about you check your casual fucking rudeness about Australians. If you don't like it, move!

No other fucking country gets a beating on MN like Australia. The US voted that absolute fuckwit as President and do we dare call all Americans racist or just fucking stupid?? No.

I actually don't care anymore if you think I'm smug. I might well be. I have dual citizenship but I will never call myself British because look what those arseholes have done down the line.

ohgoshIdontknow · 03/02/2017 11:24

LOL at the Bondi/Bournemouth joke. We had just the same reaction: 'Is that IT?'

I liked Manly beach tho.

FuckOffDailyMailQuitQuotingMN · 03/02/2017 11:26

Great. A random user has resurrected a zombie thread, probably being a GF, hasn't returned to the thread, a started a bun fight. IT'S A ZOMBIE THREAD.

GreatScot8 · 03/02/2017 11:28

I am Australian. Born in Cooma, mate.

How am I being rude about Australians? I am not the one othering them by referring to them as "the Australians".

I think you have the wrong person, actually... nowhere have I slated Australia. I wouldn't live here if I thought there was a better option, obv.

FourToTheFloor · 03/02/2017 12:30

My comment was not directed at you GreatScot, but Moony.

Newbrummie · 03/02/2017 15:27

I had ups and downs with Perth. 2 years in birmingham have made me slightly more grateful for the Indian Ocean at the end of my road 😁

Moonywormtailpadfootprongs · 03/02/2017 18:03

@FpurToTheFloor

We can discuss Trump When:

  1. Australia decides to constitutionally recognise Aboriginal people.
  1. Politicians aren't sat in parliament trying to change anti-discrimination legislation... because people should not be offended when verbally abused or called racial slurs.

And just so you're aware it's 2017.

FourToTheFloor · 03/02/2017 22:33

Thanks Moon. Here I was thinking it was still 2016 or something Hmm

Yes you're so right. Let's not discuss Trump, or Farage or any other racist prick until Australia sorts itself out. Good idea, one continent at a time eh?

No country is without racism. FACT. But Australia gets dragged through it so badly on this forum that it's really fucking amazing.

Anyway I'm taking my smug Australianess and leaving this thread now because quite frankly you Moon are boring the shit out of me.

GreatScot8 · 03/02/2017 22:49

Moon, you seem to be under the impression that all of us "white" Australians are in politics and therefore have the ability to change those two things. Fun fact: we aren't, and we don't.

If you have an issue with politics and the legalities of those issues, get involved in politics yourself. Quit grizzling about things that have nothing to do with the average Joe living here.

Vagabond · 04/02/2017 14:28

I think Australia is a wonderful country with fantastic access to leisure. It's beautiful and clean with a great standard of living. I find the people generally very friendly.
I love it here.

My only criticism is that many people are openly racist. They are not ashamed of saying disgraceful things. I was speaking to someone today about the shameful racism in Australia and cited examples of what people have said to me (I'm a white, recent migrant who had a helluva time getting papers). Her response was to say that racism is appalling BUT ... we have to watch out because refugees are the worst and that 'we' should bomb every boat that comes within 1000 kms of 'our' waters to teach the rest of them. I mean, holy hell. As if camps on Nauru are not deterrent enough. I hear that all the time.

On the flip side, I have some Aboriginal friends (we play sport together) and and when I see some of their social media posts, well, the racism on their side is pretty bad too. It's time for reconciliation.

AusNL77 · 07/02/2017 09:21

I'm an Australian; born, raised and educated in Australia.

I have attended state schools, catholic schools, anglican schools and weekend ethnic language schools. Lived in cities, in the bush, in the suburbs and in small towns. My mother is Australian, my father an immigrant from a poor country.

My friends cover the full spectrum of aboriginal australians and islanders; children of Vietnamese, iranian, italian, slav, indian and the 'aussie-aussies'.

I lived in the Uk for a number of years and now live in The Netherlands with a dutch husband.

Australia is racist (like all other countries in the world, it's human nature to discriminate), but not in the way you all seem to judge it. Australians are verbally openly racist, often they don't see that they are doing anything other than pointing out the visual reality in front of them. It's not always the case, but this discrimination often stops there. Australians are 'generally' indiscriminate when it comes to opportunity. Look at schools, businesses and universities and you will find a full spectrum of nationalities present. At the end of the day, you are accepted as an Australian based on values displayed, not how you look or your background.

In Europe this is different. You are judged on things you can't easily change: your name, background, how you appear ethnically. In the UK i couldnt believe that I had to tick boxes regarding the ethnic background. Are you Asian-British, european-british, other white british... etc. In Aus it doesnt exist except for Islanders and Aboriginals that often have specific heath or educational challenges that can be attended to if authorities are aware of their background.

Regarding education: It's all relative to where you come from but in general the education system in Australia is bad compared to other developed wealthy nations. We are pretty ignorant when it comes to history, philosophy...basically anything considered high-brow. Our maths skills are also appalling.

I agree that Sydney and Melbourne have become incredibly materialistic. It's the American influence coupled with the absence of respect for education that doesn't lead to a high paying job. And don't get me started on Australia's sports celebrities and the pretty little things that hang off them. It's cringeworthy that these people are so celebrated.

Drugs, violence and alcohol abuse is a concern country-wide.

But the good things:

The food. So fresh, so diverse, so celebrated.

Multiculturalism. It's not a perfect system but I've struggled to see such a successfully integrated multicultural system anywhere else. Cultural diversity is not just a slogan. We aren't very PC and people in general don't take offence because no one cultural group is singled out. Everyone is laughed at equally. Just because people dare to say what others only think doesn't make the country more racist. Maybe it's just a bit more honest and realistic about the way the world is and the prevailing attitudes out there.

The innovation and drive. Australian's have great ideas and their enthusiasm is infectious. For anyone who has the drive to leave Aus's shores, they do amazingly well overseas because of the great base have from growing up in Australia. This feeling that anything is possible backed up with with a heavy dose of practicality, and self-sufficiency. Problem is in Australia you miss that next level of emotional intelligence to know how to deal with the potential.

The environment, safety, freedom to live how you want...

I won't be back, my values fit much better in Europe than in Australia. But for my siblings with a very different skill set and values, there is no better place in the world.

BoboChic · 08/02/2017 13:24

I have family in and from Australia whom I see very regularly. They are very well educated but I am flabbergasted by the antediluvian thinking on sexism. So backwards.

pollyglot · 11/02/2017 20:57

At least the attitude towards Brits seems to have improved from the 60s. Back then, my brother, newly arrived in Sydney, escaped being beaten up at his boys' school for being a Pom when the bullies discovered that he was, in fact, a Kiwi.

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