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anyone with an interesting fact/story about SWITZERLAND

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kakapo · 29/05/2011 23:31

Hello all Smile

It looks like we might be moving to Switzerland soon, and I'm pretty excited about it Smile Smile

I was wondering if anyone has any interesting stories about Switzerland to share, so I can get even more excited! Or even just more informed about the place and culture.

For example, have you been to an interesting place on holiday? What are some of the major differences from living in the UK?

Thanks in advance!

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LIZS · 01/06/2011 11:41

August 1st (National Day) is a traditional celebration and start of a 2 week holiday period. The parades - everything from decorated cows to fully uniformed burgers and guilds. The "chilbi" - lots of diplays of prize cheese and cured meat. Brunch buffets in mountain restaurants during the summer. Very fond of zoos and circuses too.

kreecherlivesupstairs · 01/06/2011 11:44

And Fastnacht is great. It is terribly non PC and involves a lot of drinking and confetti.
The best one is in Luzern, although the Baar one isn't bad.
Me and DD went to a troll thing in Appenzell a couple of years ago. there are three different sorts of trolls and they walk up to 20km in snow up to their waist to ensure a good harvest of both wheat and cheese. They were utterly pissed at 7.45am

Gipfeli · 01/06/2011 11:45

Basel has the best Fasnacht and the world's second largest Tattoo (after Edinburgh I presume)

And special biscuits that are like a sort of spicy cardboard.

The Swiss have very good PR.

Gipfeli · 01/06/2011 11:47

Kreecher - cross-post about Fasnacht - still think Basel is best though Wink

LIZS · 01/06/2011 11:52

Have we covered Samiclaus and Schmutzli ? Very non pc, a black-up character spiriting naughty children away to the Black Forest ...

kreecherlivesupstairs · 01/06/2011 12:26

Neither of those covered so far LIZS. Friends had the village Samiclause and Schumutzli round to talk to their DDs as a pre christmas treat. The men had been round or contacted our friends before to find out about any misdemeanors the girls had done. The youngest was threatened with being put into Schmutzli's sack and taken to the forest for dismemberment. She was terrified.
Gipfli - you are wrong. Luzern's all nighters are the best although, I 've only been to Basel to an art exhibition.

MmeLindor. · 01/06/2011 12:33

Is that the equivalent of St Niklaus and Schwarzer Peter in Germany? There is another name for Schwarzer Peter, but I cannot remember it. Scary stuff. My DD was terrified of St Niklaus, never mind the other guy.

kreecherlivesupstairs · 01/06/2011 12:44

That's them. We had a similar thing in Antwerp around Christmas. St Nicholas arrived on a boat with black Pete. Honestly, it was as if the world had gone back to the 70's where the black and white minstrels were on the telly.
Very unsavoury. The Belgian one arrives from Spain with his moorish friend.

Meita · 01/06/2011 13:49

Yep, the Samichlous is 6th December. He brings Lebkuchen, a spicy ginger-bread type of thing (dip it in hot chocolate!). He'll leave stuff in boots outside your front door. Santa does NOT, however, come at Christmas, and does not fill stockings.

Many places have stopped the 'no electricity to washing machines at lunchtime' thing meanwhile. I grew up in Switzerland and this year was the first time I heard of it - in the context of it being phased out in the village I was staying at ...

Yes, most flats have shared laundry facilities. However nowhere I lived was it ever a problem. We always had first come first serve, not allocated days, and it was always fine. There are certain advantages: You often get to use a top-notch machine, don't use up space in your flat, don't get the noise, don't have to worry about broken machines - your 'Abwart' will be taking care of that.

Easter means lots of yummy chocolate rabbits. I miss chocolate rabbits!

Basel people hate/make fun of Zurich people. And vice versa.

Dentists are ridiculously expensive.

Health insurance is expensive and obligatory. However, you will never be prescribed anything less than the most expensive treatment in existence and it will be nearly free. No capping, no cost-benefit considerations, no 'there is a better option but it is not available on the NHS'. If anything, you will have to fight against getting treatment, ask if something is really necessary - doctors' income is determined by what treatments they prescribe. They WANT you to have the most expensive. The downside is, next year your (and everybody's) health insurance will be even more expensive.

Swiss people think you must be from abroad, or your kids must be a bit stupid, if you send them to a private school. Only those who can't make it in state schools are sent to private schools by ambitious parents who just won't admit that their kids can't hack it.

Your DC's teacher might send them home from school in the middle of the day, alone, without checking if anyone will be at home, if they are sick or if they 'forgot their homework'.

School curricula vary from village to village. If you move into a different commune, you might find that your kids' new classmates have already done a year more of French but haven't started English yet or something.

Another problem about moving: If you are thinking about maybe perhaps being naturalised, eventually, you need to live in the same commune for the duration.

They say over half of the worlds' votings are held in Switzerland.

I'm not sure about Basle as it is a bit more international than other Swiss German places, but expect office times to be 8-12, 1-5.
I was once queuing at the immigration police office, long queues at about 9am, overheard an officer telling an applicant: 'Well next time you'd better be here at 8, that's when work starts, you'd better start assimilating to how things are here if you really want to live here.'
So yeah, rushhour is before 8, after 8 the only people you'll see on the streets are lazy students, retirees, and SAHMs.

The last place to grant women the right to vote was actually 1994, I think, not 1984. On the national level it was introduced 1972. People would gather on a public square to vote. They would vote by holding their rifle up. Naturally, women couldn't as they weren't in the military, no?

Maternity leave was introduced in hmmm... about 2005 I think. It's 14 weeks. Paternity leave is... one day. The day of birth.

There is an anti-racism law which makes it illegal to publicly claim that the holocaust didn't happen.

Switzerland has no prime minister or president. There are seven 'ministers', one of whom is 'first among equals' and represents the country abroad - for a year, then it's someone else's turn. Currently, 4 of these 7 are women.

Switzerland has the highest incidence of skin cancer within Europe. Be careful. (Due to the elevation - less atmosphere to filter the sunlight)

There is an excellent network of national and regional bicycle routes. Cycling in town is probably lots safer than in England too.

Hmm going to stop now... am obviously procrastinating ;)

MmeLindor. · 01/06/2011 13:58

Fascinating post, Meita. I have learned a lot.

"Swiss people think you must be from abroad, or your kids must be a bit stupid, if you send them to a private school. Only those who can't make it in state schools are sent to private schools by ambitious parents who just won't admit that their kids can't hack it."

Yes, DH heard this from a colleague too. Most of his colleagues put their dc to international schools.

merlincat · 01/06/2011 20:27

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Portofino · 01/06/2011 20:40

I have only been once (last year) as was gobsmacked at how expensive things were. The supermarket wasn't too bad, but eating out was pricey and you practically needed a second mortgage for the cable cars!

MmeLindor. · 01/06/2011 21:25

Porto
It is even more expensive at the moment, as the CHF is so strong. Absolute nightmare. It was ?1 - CHF 1.60. Is now ?1 - CHF 1.20.

Portofino · 01/06/2011 23:09

On our hols last year we went to Grindelwald. We paid a huge sum of money to go to the top of the mountain, with the plan that we walked down the top 2 bits, to the first "stage" where there was a fantastic playground.

In the event, dd moaned constantly all the way down the first bit, where we stopped for lunch. Then she moaned loads more at the thought of walking down the second bit, to the extent that dh agreed we would get the cable car Hmm and then it started raining. My family are total lightweights! And we had to spend MORE money to go back down the fecking mountain.

Rillyrillygoodlooking · 02/06/2011 05:02

My Dad is Swiss, and we went to switzerland every year while we were kids to visit grandparents. I loved Switzerland but obviously only know it from a kid's point of view.

And for the people who mention Marmite - have you not tried Cenovis? It's the swiss equivalent, and is very nice!

They also have merveilles which are a kind of sweet poppadom. Delicious! They for some special occasion or other, but don't know what.

There is a Swiss National Day celebration in London in July I think, if you want to see what that's like and what Swiss people are like!

coffeeinbed · 02/06/2011 08:54

Those "sweet poppadoms" made me laugh.
It's the Fastnacht sweets.

Meita · 02/06/2011 10:57

Fasnachtschüechli, mmmh!
Though these days you can buy them nearly all year round, and in those parts of Switzerland that do not have a proper Fasnacht too.

MmeLindor. · 02/06/2011 13:31

The Swiss National Day celebrations in our village are lovely. There are stalls selling different food, beer and of course local wines. In the afternoon traditional alpine horn players serenade the gathering as the children run wild around the Salle Communale. Later in the evening the huge bonfire is lit - no 'elf and safety people around to spoil the fun, everyone just keeps an eye on the children. A jazz band played last year and we danced while the sun set behind the Jura mountains, the flames of the bonfire reflected in the lake.

kreecherlivesupstairs · 02/06/2011 15:22

I think that the parts of Switzerland that aren't German speaking are much livelier. The thing that fascinated DD in our part was the whip cracking boys. A length of rope with tar on it, has some sort of gunpowder applied to the end and they crack their whips. It sounds incredible and there are village tournaments to enter if you are a boy. DD was always very put out that she couldn't take part. She made her own whipcracker with a length of ribbon. It wasn't terribly effective.

titchy · 02/06/2011 15:27

Maybe urban myth, but a couple of Swiss guys I was at uni with told that it is law that roads have to be replaced every five years, consequently the entire country is a mass of permannent road works.

LIZS · 02/06/2011 15:34

but isn't that how they keep such a low level of unemployment - ongoing roadworks and tunnelling projects.

kreecherlivesupstairs · 02/06/2011 15:57

The Swiss husband of a friend told us of the roads which are mined in case of invasion. Several motorways have explosives hidden in them.
Not sure if he was pulling my leg or not though.
I was also told that the road menders [whisper] aren't Swiss. They are bought over from Poland or Lithuania to do the work then sent home once winter comes in case they become eligible for some sort of benefit.

MmeLindor. · 02/06/2011 18:59

Have not been here for 5 years yet, but think that one is a myth.

They are pretty good at patching the roads, I must admit. We had lots of potholes after the winter and they have gone around and filled them in.

There are of course the hidden airstrips and bunkers with fighter jets around the countryside and the toblerone tank barriers.

They build the jet hangers into the side of the mountains so that they cannot be bombed.

kreecherlivesupstairs · 02/06/2011 21:30

he assured me it was true. Mind you, the same man told me his wife wouldn't know if he and I got friendly in a hotel in Ober Agerri Hmm

TheNewStig · 02/06/2011 22:44

Ober Ageri, now that brings back memories! Of Fasnacht in particular Wink