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Stage IV cancer? Incurable? Roll up, roll up, this thread is for you!

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mowly77 · 05/08/2023 17:46

I’m expecting tumbleweed. But I’ve jumped over from the lovely supportive threads I’ve been on for general cancer - latest one here-

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/general_health/4863468-cancer-support-thread-89-the-best-thread-that-no-one-wants-to-be-on?reply=128175880

to see if there’s any interest in a separate thread. I often feel like such a derailing buzzkill on the general cancer threads as there are so many shapes, sizes, flavours of cancer & so many different issues when you’re being treated to be cured as opposed to being treated palliatively.

And those of us unlucky enough to be incurable, and let’s face it, dead, sooner rather than later from this insidious disease, have our own concerns and darknesses. And admin. And hopefully some good days. Please, please let there be more good days.

Help, advice, dark humour and support are the aims. There are wonderful people on the cancer support threads & I often feel guilty for trauma-dumpling my tales of woe on it, to those dealing with their own, but different, bullshit.

Anyway —- come on in, the door is open. All I have to offer today are tales of woe about NHS incompetence & updates on the state of my bowels.

Here’s ‘my story’ - my bullshit story I wish wasn’t true but here we are. Please share yours if you would like.

estrogen+ BC diagnosed age 36, v aggressive, 3 tumours, 2 very large. Right mastectomy. No lymph node involvement. 5 miserable months of old school FEC poison. Then diagnosed BRCA2+. Left risk reducing mastectomy. Then crickets from the NHS. No one told me NED but indeed I had none. So for 11 years I love my life.

I give birth in 2018 to my DD, conceived via IVF, as my reproductive capabilities did not survive the FEC. Had my ovaries removed shortly after as per advice for BRCA2 patients . THEY DIDN’T BOTHER TO FURNISH ME WITH ANY ADVICE ABOUT HOW TO DEAL WITH SUDDEN SURGICAL MENOPAUSE WITH NO HRT THOUGH. And a baby in the mix! I’m still v cross about that.

Right when I wasn’t expecting it, when I thought I had ‘beaten’ the ten year survival rates (hahhhha, that fucker came back. After much faffing from utterly shitballs hospital trust finally diagnosed metastatic, stage 4, incurable, spread in my lungs, pleura and sternum. This was March 2022 when my daughter was 3.5

I’ve since had 15 rounds of Paclitaxel (first 3 months some shrinkage; last 3 months total failure, back where started) & then managed to get moved to Royal Marsden in London with great effort as my oncologist was so bad, so rude & she made my life a misery. I started on the ‘gentler’ regime of Palbociclib & Letrozole and whilst I was battling horrible side effects from those I had a 6 month run of clear scans and I was finally getting to grips with the treatment. Then the other shoe dropped and the bastard cancer is growing again. I’m still on Palbo & Letrozole while they test my blood for an enzyme that will determine if I can move on to Capecitabine. Which I’m terrified of! Better the devil you know.

In the meantime I’m in America with my family (who all live here) trying and failing to communicate with the NHS over email to see if I can fly home earlier than scheduled so they can see me quicker and get me on Cape asap because I’m really not doing well.

I can have a ‘good’ day if I’m dosed up to the eyeballs on Oramorph but it’s all quite exhausting & I’ve had to temporarily come off it to relieve my insane constipation and stomach issues. So now I’ve been on bed for two days. BUT it’s not all bad. I’ve been to see the Barbie since I’ve been here & been to the local pool with DD a few times & enjoyed sitting on the porch listening to the cicadas. It’s boiling hot too so am getting a break from the rain.

I’d love to hear your stories, tales of woes, worries, advice. Anything at all you want to say in this safe supportive space. There’s just so much in the mix for this stage of bastard cancer.

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GoldenDog1 · 12/02/2024 09:37

Hope you don't mind me joining this club that none of us want to be members of.
I have stage 4 stomach cancer.
I was supposed to have a partial gastrectomy to remove the cancer but when I was on the operating table they found the cancer had already spread so that surgery was off the table.
I am now on palliative chemo , Paclitaxel to be exact.
So far I'm managing ok with the side effects but I'm sick of being fatigued all the time.
I have good days and bad days mentally.
My next CT scan is booked for March and I'm dreading it.
I never seem to get positive news from them.
I did have a feeding tube in for 4 months but when they couldn't do the partial gastrectomy they did a bypass instead and I'm grateful that I can now eat and drink again (although I still have some issues).
Anyway I'm off to the hospital for bloods and line clean.
I wish you all a good day today.

Tilllly · 12/02/2024 09:51

Was gamma knife @lucysmam

Went fine, hard to lay there for so long, bolted in by the head! But it's minimal side and after effects, which is a treat in terms of cancer!

Tilllly · 12/02/2024 10:10

@lucysmam

BOOK YOUR MRI!!!

SewingBees · 12/02/2024 10:19

@GoldenDog1 I'm sorry you find yourself here but you are most welcome. Fatigue is by far the biggest side effect from my drugs and I'm really struggling to comprehend how little I can get done in a day now. I'm supposed to be going back to work next month and I've no idea how I'm going to manage even on reduced hours.

What's your situation? Working, kids?

Scanxiety is something we all relate to on this thread. I'm off for an ECG later this morning and although I know it will be fine I'm still a bit stressed about it.

GoldenDog1 · 12/02/2024 10:47

SewingBees · 12/02/2024 10:19

@GoldenDog1 I'm sorry you find yourself here but you are most welcome. Fatigue is by far the biggest side effect from my drugs and I'm really struggling to comprehend how little I can get done in a day now. I'm supposed to be going back to work next month and I've no idea how I'm going to manage even on reduced hours.

What's your situation? Working, kids?

Scanxiety is something we all relate to on this thread. I'm off for an ECG later this morning and although I know it will be fine I'm still a bit stressed about it.

Thank you for your reply.
I actually work at my local hospital but have been on the sick for some time now.
I recently enquired about going back to work but because I keep falling asleep and I work in a hospital I've been advised it's too much of an infection risk while on active chemo.
Plus with the pain I don't think I would be much use.
I really do miss work though.

I do have kids and I had them all close together when I was quite young so they are all adults.
They've taken this really hard but are a great support to me.
I couldn't do this without them as it's surprising how many so called friends have ditched me throughout all this.

Enigma52 · 12/02/2024 11:01

@GoldenDog1 I empathise with the friends ditching you. I've had this with colleagues. I've been off sick since November and hardly hear from anyone now. My best friend has in fact been the worst of the bunch!

I pop in and out of the other cancer thread mainly, as I'm targeted therapy for lung and abdominal. But just wanted to wish you well and this group is a lovely group to be part of.

GoldenDog1 · 12/02/2024 16:25

Enigma52 · 12/02/2024 11:01

@GoldenDog1 I empathise with the friends ditching you. I've had this with colleagues. I've been off sick since November and hardly hear from anyone now. My best friend has in fact been the worst of the bunch!

I pop in and out of the other cancer thread mainly, as I'm targeted therapy for lung and abdominal. But just wanted to wish you well and this group is a lovely group to be part of.

Thank you and I wish you all the best with your treatment xx

balkanscot · 12/02/2024 17:39

@WrenNatsworthy Ahoy, ahoy! Did you enjoy doing foot massages pre-cancer? There is a lovely bunch of volunteers on the chemo ward who go around offering blissful foot massages. I haven’t had one done this time around, I am hoping they reach me on 27th Feb. during the next round of torture.

@lucysmam I remember MacMillan did a sterling job of applying for my DH’s PIP - very swift & organised, maybe the fact he had the worst of the worst brain tumours “helped” in terms of speed, I mean, you can’t argue with glioblastoma, so his score was pretty much at the top end. I will definitely get in touch with them again - does anyone know if PIP is means tested? I am currently not claiming anything as I am living off DH’s inheritance but worry that this may exclude me from PiP eligibility. Can’t see myself going back to work again, not as a single parent facing this shit.

Neuropathy seems to have eased a little, even though it feels surreal when I walk, as though my feet don’t belong to me. I slept for 12 hours solid last night, was absolutely destroyed by not sleeping for 2 days in a row. It’s fatigue time now, feeling exhausted and just plonking myself back into bed after driving for almost 4 hours from my jn laws’ pace. Feet got frozen solid during the car journey, thawing them with a hot water bottle & some cashmere socks. Also met a friend for lunch which just about finished me off in terms of exhaustion. The amount of monologues disguised as dialogues with myself I have had in the last few days has been quite phenomenal. Just trying to pep myself up and keep going while indefinite chemo shit has descended on me - in the absence of DH it is all I can do. Luckily, DS is staying with the in laws for the week (half term here) - he was already a bit unnerved when I was delirious from lack of sleep & neuropathy.

@GoldenDog1 Waving to you in a Paclitaxel induced fatigue. Although I am actually on nab Paclitaxel as I had suffered an allergic reaction to the actual Paclitaxel. And so sorry to hear you are now member of this shitty club. I still can’t believe that I will never experience old age, even though my membership has started almost a year ago.

Must get off the sofa to turn the lights on.

lucysmam · 12/02/2024 18:25

@balkanscot they did ask me about savings. I had about £2.43 or something stupid like that at the time so didn't affect me. The response was really fast - paid in under 2 weeks if I remember correctly & letter to confirm what rate I'd be paid.

I don't blame you not thinking you'll go back to work - if I didn't have full support from so many people to do as I please then I don't think I would have. The girls dad is happy for me to do...whatever I want (within reason), including stupid things like 2 gigs in one week. I'll be knackered but both artists worth it for me.

WrenNatsworthy · 12/02/2024 18:59

@balkanscot I loved doing foot massages, and I did reflexology as well. I mainly worked at festivals and did a bit of mobile as well for a few regular clients. I hope the volunteers are doing their rounds at the end of February.

Everyone on this thread should be applying for the non means - tested PIP. I have applied twice because I didn't die within 3 years of the first successful application. The CNS nurses at the Queen Elizabeth have filled in the forms for me both times, and you can also get your GP to do it. It's not the same as the massive form for ordinary PIP.

SewingBees · 12/02/2024 19:07

@balkanscot I started a PIP claim a couple of weeks ago. I have until 29 February to put the claim in and if successful it will be backdated to when I started. So worth ringing up tomorrow to get it going. It is not in any way means tested. I'm getting help from the benefits advisor at Maggie's to complete mine.

If you (probably) have less than a year to live then you can ask your oncologist or GP for an SR1 form to that effect. That means you immediately get the full PIP amount and less forms to fill. I'm going to ask my new oncologist about this when I see them in March, but in the meantime will just go for the 'normal' application.

TwigTheWonderKid · 13/02/2024 00:07

Evening all, or probably more likely, good morning, except for @Tilllly (well done for withstanding your brain treatment and fingers, toes etc crossed for no further spread) who is no doubt is wide awake with insomnia and/or puppy-related shenanigans.

"Welcome" to @GoldenDog1 . Sorry you are having to join us but actually this is the most lovely, supportive and even life-affirming group on here. We all really get what everyone else is going through and it's a great place to moan, cry and even laugh.

Have managed to get away for 2 nights to York with DH and the DSs for half term. We are very extravagantly (what else are credit cards for?) staying at The Grand, which is utterly fabulous. I think it's the neuropathy but I feel a little unsteady on my feet so hoping I can manage two days of walking on wonky pavements.

Tilllly · 13/02/2024 02:28

You're so wise @TwigTheWonderKid
Yawn 🥱

York is nice to visit and not entirely muffled wonkiness 😁 what've you got planned?

Railway museum is free and more interesting than you'd think! And boat rides are good
The National trust treasurers house, next door to cathedral

GoldenDog1 · 13/02/2024 04:39

@balkanscot thanks for the welcome.
I had to Google the difference between your Paclitaxel and mine lol.
It's chemo day for me.
I hate sitting up there in that Oncology unit for hours on end.
The nurses are lovely though and always checking on us and supplying endless cups of tea and coffee.

@TwigTheWonderKid thank you for the welcome.
As much as I don't want to be part of this club I'm grateful to have found a tiny space on the internet where there are people to chat to who know exactly what each other is going through.
As usual I'm awake ridiculously early and feeling a bit weepy this morning.

GoldenDog1 · 13/02/2024 04:41

@TwigTheWonderKid
Have a great time in York.

TwigTheWonderKid · 13/02/2024 08:22

Hope chemo goes ok today @GoldenDog1 and that the nurses look after you well.

@SewingBees did your ECG go ok?

Boys are supposed to go for a swim at 9am, if I can manage to wake them. The pool is lovely but yet another thing I can't do with them (thanks PICC line). Then breakfast and the train museum. Lunch and then a mooch round the walls and shops.

Hope everyone else has as good a day as possible. And big hugs to everyone who needs one.

SewingBees · 13/02/2024 08:33

@TwigTheWonderKid Thanks, yes the ECG went fine, the sticky things managed to stay stuck this time! I guess I'll hear soon if there's anything worrying in the trace.

Your trip to York sounds brilliant, last time I was there was for Christmas markets in 2022 and it was heaving but lovely. I have very fond memories of meeting friends there for a long overdue reunion.

I've had a letter through asking me to attend an appointment in March with a new oncologist, so I guess my request for a change has been processed. I've also been told I've got a follow up phone call with the radiotherapy doctor which I wasn't expecting. Has anyone else experienced this? I wondered if my most recent scan results were suggesting that more radiotherapy could be beneficial - I was originally supposed to have 10-15 sessions but after the planning scan they dropped it to 5. I'm not overly worried about this, just curious.

My mum's here now, nice to have company. I'm envious of the sun and snow filled photos and videos being sent from my husband and daughter's ski trip, though it's a nice sunny day here. We're going to MIL's for lunch which will be interesting. She's a lovely woman but ridiculously hyper, I can only manage her in small doses!

ShalommJackie · 13/02/2024 14:28

Hey everyone how's everyone doing :).

I started my new medication a week or so ago no real symptoms as of yet except fatigue. I'm so hoping this works! I had pre treatment pet scan and it didn't look pretty at all. Tumours all over my liver and in my lymph nodes.

I'm doublescreens but name changed. I have stage 4 melanoma.

TwigTheWonderKid · 13/02/2024 19:10

Shalom @ShalommJackie (Love FND!)

Fingers crossed the new drug regime zaps all those ugly tumours.

Not sure if you've ever been over but the Stage 4 cancer thread is also really helpful and incredibly welcoming.

WrenNatsworthy · 14/02/2024 13:41

Hi @ShalommJackie and @GoldenDog1 sorry you're here.

TwigTheWonderKid · 14/02/2024 16:17

Sorry @ShalommJackie you must think I am an idiot ( which I probably am; my brain is definitely not what it used to be ☹️) THIS IS the stage 4 cancer thread!

Hope everyone is ok. On train back to London from York. Had a lovely time. Treated us to a first class train upgrade which was actually a wise move as there is train chaos and I'm not sure our normal seat reservation would have been valid. Am encouraging the DSs to take full advantage of the free food and drink!

WrenNatsworthy · 14/02/2024 16:41

Ooh @TwigTheWonderKid I'm glad you're in first class and living it up.

I just signed my will, with two of my friends as witnesses, so it's all signed, sealed and ready to go back to the solicitor. It feels so good to have it sorted.

I'm staying the night at my Aunt's in Birmingham tonight, as it's an early cyberknife for me!

Tilllly · 14/02/2024 21:40

@TwigTheWonderKid
I hope they ate LOADS

@WrenNatsworthy lots of luck! The gamma knife was much easier than it looks
I had 80s hits 😁

I'm at oncologist tomorrow for results of CT etc. I'm almost past caring, I just want to know what this Godawful pain is that even morphine isn't helping, I can't stand it much longer

WrenNatsworthy · 14/02/2024 22:22

I have a Taylor Swift CD @Tilllly I'm sorry you're in so much pain lovely 😔 it's always worse at night.

Take as many things as you're allowed xxx

Tilllly · 14/02/2024 22:39

They put Spotify on for me!

I just don't understand it @WrenNatsworthy

It's right side and the tumour is left lung
I'm on oramorph and slow release morphine, which isn't doing anything I don't think. Paracetamol makes it bearable for about 3-4 hours, then I have 2-3 hrs before I can have more

It's a lot of pain relief, to still be in pain

I can't take a deep breath, every movement hurts

And they discharged me a week ago without knowing the cause

All I can think is it's spread to the breastbone, but that didn't show on the xray

Hope the oncologist has an answer