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Long winded legal issue with garage, around engine replacements and failures.

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FieldEscapee · 11/10/2026 23:50

Very long, sorry. Looking for views on where liability sits with repeated engine failures after a replacement.

A few details changed for anonymity, but the basic situation is accurate.

We bought a used 4x4 with around 90,000 miles on it. A few months later the original engine failed. It had a full service history and, while frustrating, we accepted that an engine can fail at that mileage.

We then paid a local garage a significant amount to supply and fit a remanufactured replacement engine.

About a year later that replacement engine failed, diagnosed as catastrophic crankshaft failure. The engine supplier accepted there was a problem but that at 13 months we were technically out of warranty. After a push, he crankshaft was replaced with a new one, the engine was repaired and refitted, and we paid the garage again for the installation work at cost only.

About 1,500 miles later, the crankshaft failed again. This time it failed catastrophically and the engine is now apparently beyond repair.

The engine supplier has said they assume something else on the vehicle may be causing the crankshaft failures, possibly vibration. They have offered another replacement engine at cost.

The garage has now suggested sending the torque converter away for independent testing. No vibration of any sort was detected prior to it failing, in fact it had been running brilliantly.

Our concern is that this could become an endless process of testing individual components one by one. If the torque converter is fine, does the flex plate go next, then mounts, transmission components, alignment, etc?

At this point, we feel that regardless of the precise mechanical cause, the service we paid for has failed. We paid a large amount for a replacement engine and installation, then paid again after the first crankshaft failure, and we are still left without a usable vehicle after only around 1,500 miles on the repaired engine.

There has never been any suggestion of misuse or operator error. The running-in requirements and oil change were followed.

Our view is that if the issue is a defective engine or crankshaft, that sits with the supplier/garage chain. If the issue is something external such as the torque converter, flex plate, alignment or installation, then surely the question becomes whether that should have been identified when the first crankshaft failed and the engine was repaired. In the garage's words, it isn't their responsibility, "they're just crap engines".

We are now considering drawing a line under further piecemeal testing and pursuing the garage for a refund through the County Court.

Interested in views from anyone with mechanical, garage trade or legal experience.

And if an external component did cause both crankshaft failures, would you expect the garage that supplied and fitted the replacement engine to have identified that after the first failure? Let alone the second, and then third?

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prh47bridge · 12/10/2026 09:31

Without getting an actual diagnosis, it is impossible to say whether the garage that fitted the replacement engine should have diagnosed the external problem. To get anywhere with this, you need a report from an independent engineer identifying exactly what is wrong and giving their opinion as to whether it should have been spotted by the garage.

Shade17 · 12/10/2026 18:12

Let me guess, a Land Rover with a 3.0d V6?

DesperateforSunshine · 12/10/2026 18:16

Shade17 · 12/10/2026 18:12

Let me guess, a Land Rover with a 3.0d V6?

My guess would definitely be a LR product

Spirallingdownwards · 12/10/2026 18:18

You will not succeed in a court claim so don't waste your money and put it towards buying a new car

FieldEscapee · 12/10/2026 18:58

Ha, definitely a Land Rover.

Vehicle bought for £18 k. First engine replacement £11.5k

Second £2.5k

Plus extras throughout.

To end up with a non-runner again 1500 miles/3 months after the last time.

We've been so pragmatic and patient, but we also run a business, and when we had a similar issue (a faulty product that only failed a year after it was put in the ground) we put it right for the customer and claimed on insurance to rectify when the product manufacturer washed their hands of it. (In a bizarre quirk of fate, the customer in question is also the dealer we bought the car from 😂🤦‍♂️) So when this fellow small business, who looked after all of our fleet vehicles and we considered almost friends didn't seem to accept any responsibility towards getting the vehicle working again it took us by surprise. If you don't laugh, you cry eh.

Engine manufacturer have offered another engine at cost (£2k) which seems to imply to me that they acknowledge some issues, but if the garage tells us they're 'shit' where is the motivation?!

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prh47bridge · 12/10/2026 19:43

Spirallingdownwards · 12/10/2026 18:18

You will not succeed in a court claim so don't waste your money and put it towards buying a new car

Edited

There is no way of knowing this. It is possible a claim will succeed, but it depends on what an independent engineer says.

Flamingbanana214 · 12/10/2026 19:49

FieldEscapee · 12/10/2026 18:58

Ha, definitely a Land Rover.

Vehicle bought for £18 k. First engine replacement £11.5k

Second £2.5k

Plus extras throughout.

To end up with a non-runner again 1500 miles/3 months after the last time.

We've been so pragmatic and patient, but we also run a business, and when we had a similar issue (a faulty product that only failed a year after it was put in the ground) we put it right for the customer and claimed on insurance to rectify when the product manufacturer washed their hands of it. (In a bizarre quirk of fate, the customer in question is also the dealer we bought the car from 😂🤦‍♂️) So when this fellow small business, who looked after all of our fleet vehicles and we considered almost friends didn't seem to accept any responsibility towards getting the vehicle working again it took us by surprise. If you don't laugh, you cry eh.

Engine manufacturer have offered another engine at cost (£2k) which seems to imply to me that they acknowledge some issues, but if the garage tells us they're 'shit' where is the motivation?!

Is 11.5k a typo?!

GrumblingGeek · 12/10/2026 20:07

i’d be on lr forums as there will be lots of others in the same position and see what they are saying.

FieldEscapee · 12/10/2026 20:36

Flamingbanana214 · 12/10/2026 19:49

Is 11.5k a typo?!

Nope, no typo. Whole new engine block from a leading, approved supplier, fully fitted with ancillaries. Even though we had only had the vehicle for 3 months at that point, we decided to bite the bullet and do it properly, thinking the vehicle would then outlast us. It lasted 13 months before the crank shaft failed. Engine was repairable by said supplier and a new crank shaft fitted...reinstalled by our commercial garage. This one lasted 3 months/1500 miles. Apparently crank shaft again. But engine beyond repair this time.

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Whyherewego · 12/10/2026 20:43

I wouldn't say that you don't have a claim. The warranty is their period but under consumer rights act you have other rights and these last beyond a year.
However as PP have said you would need to prove the garage is at fault. So if they supplied and installed a new engine you'd expect that to last longer than 13 months. You need to demonstrate that either the engine itself was faulty or that a competent garage would have done whatever other thing needed to have been done to establish root cause of the issue (eg vibration). I am not sure any of us can comment so an expert would be required.

chirrupybird · 12/10/2026 20:44

Fix it and sell it back to the garage or just tell the garage to take it back, this is a dog.

Helga55 · 12/10/2026 21:31

This happened to me with my Disco, sadly after numerous talks with a LR specialist, it was not worth my time & money to pursue either a replacement car, engine, or courts to sort out the issues we’d had trying to get it back on the road, so I had to cut my losses and move on. Not to say I’ll never have another LR product, I’d had several before this one with absolutely no issues whatsoever, but it has made me more wary buying any vehicle now

Shade17 · 13/10/2026 08:33

Of course it’s a LR. The crankshafts in certain engines are notorious for failure. “They all do that, sir”

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