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Deceitful behaviour from school - don't know where to turn

512 replies

godofthunder24 · 13/05/2025 17:33

Hi,

My son's school denied him access for 3 days last year due to his mum having COVID. Following our own research we determined that it was unlawful for the school to deny access for this reason.

Once we presented the legal advice to the school they changed their advice and altered their criteria for allowing my son back into school. It seems very clear to me that they were concerned about the repercussions of unlawful actions and tried to misrepresent their original instructions.

I complained to the school and I've gone through the complaints process with the chair of governors, a complaints panel and the DfE.

The governors have consistently provided inaccurate information during the complaints process which I strongly believe is their attempt to cover up the schools original actions. The governors have access to all of the evidence which is in email form but they continue to misrepresent that evidence.

The DfE have confirmed that the decision to deny access was unlawful.

The Local Authority are not willing to do any other than ensure the school is adhering to the complaints process from now forwards.

I am literally sick to death of feeling wronged by the school and not having a channel that will listen to me and go through the evidence in sufficient detail.

I don't really want to go down the legal route myself but feel like I'm running out of options. Would be great to hear any advice from someone in the know or someone who has been through something similar.

Many thanks,
Ian.

OP posts:
Jenala · 14/05/2025 07:10

godofthunder24 · 13/05/2025 22:14

The school explicitly emailed us to say that my wife sharing her COVID status caused the school to take action.

You've said the main issue is the school has denied the fact they excluded your son from the last 3 days. But here it says they explicitly stated that your wife's covid status caused the school to 'take action'. Which implicitly admits action was taken? So which is it?

ViolaPlains · 14/05/2025 07:11

godofthunder24 · 13/05/2025 21:41

Because we're responsible people, COVID still exists and some people are vulnerable.

Off topic, but you’re not “responsible people”, in my opinion at least, if you’re sending your son to school when his mother has Covid.

Tripleblue · 14/05/2025 07:12

scotstars · 13/05/2025 22:51

Kindly you need to draw a line under it and move on..what are you are hoping for by "proving' they were wrong? At most you will get an apology it's not going to change anything please find a new cause or hobby rather than persisting in a pointless argument

That they will take a little more care with something like this in the future. The school are completely up their own, what else do they get up to. What kind of mental case is it to exclude the child because the mother is ill. Nobody is that dim and if they are they shouldn't be running the school.

Tripleblue · 14/05/2025 07:20

Miffylou · 14/05/2025 04:54

Yes. I did last week, to find out whether I had Covid or just a nameless coldy bug. It wasn’t Covid, so when I was due to go to an important event I took some medication, masked up and went (taking care not to sit or stand too close to others). If it had been Covid I wouldn’t have gone, because I don’t want to be the selfish person who spreads it to others, some of whom may be vulnerable.

I hope I didn’t pass on my bad cold, but if I had I think the recipient would have recovered within a week or so, as I have. I know a normally healthy person who nearly died from Covid, and another (a formerly healthy young mother) who still hasn’t fully recovered five years later.

Edited

Everyone who is easily led "nearly died" of covid.

IButtleSir · 14/05/2025 07:23

Surely you have something more useful you could be doing with your time, Ian? Some housework, perhaps?

IButtleSir · 14/05/2025 07:24

godofthunder24 · 13/05/2025 21:20

The 3 days that my son was excluded were during his last week at the school before moving up to secondary school. He was really upset to miss out on all the parties and cool activities. There is no way I would have gone to these lengths if he was still attending the same school.

"She doesn't even go here!"

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SuperTrooper14 · 14/05/2025 07:31

Tripleblue · 14/05/2025 07:12

That they will take a little more care with something like this in the future. The school are completely up their own, what else do they get up to. What kind of mental case is it to exclude the child because the mother is ill. Nobody is that dim and if they are they shouldn't be running the school.

Edited

The child wasn’t excluded. They were told to stay at home because the mum had Covid. Huge difference between the two and I think it’s Ian’s fixation on conflating the two that’s the problem. He wants them to apologise for an exclusion that simply didn’t happen and of course the school aren’t going to do that. Exclusion is the process of removing a child from school either temporarily or permanently as a form of punishment for poor behaviour. It’s not this!

PhilippaGeorgiou · 14/05/2025 07:45

So the school did something that you didn't agree with, they acted on your complaint and changed that decision, and a year later you are still whining about the original decision?

Isitreallythough · 14/05/2025 07:45

Somebody made a mistake. Not a very big one, and most likely in good faith.
If you’d wanted to punish them for that, then you have - you’ve cost them huge time and stress, detracting from their work in educating and making good decisions for the next cohort.
Yes, people should own their mistakes, but maybe as per a previous poster they have been worried about it getting blown up further if they say the wrong thing.
You don’t need to pursue this further. Let it go. Leave them in peace.

Spottyness · 14/05/2025 07:47

OP seems to really have a tight grip on right, wrong & unfairness. He has to let this go. His son missed 3 days of year 6 almost a year ago and is no longer at the school.

His poor wife worked at the school and has had to leave her job.

OP - it’s unhealthy to hold onto something minor for so long. Consider therapy to help learning how to let go of things and stop harassing a school that your child no longer attends

Nominative · 14/05/2025 07:52

godofthunder24 · 13/05/2025 22:14

The school explicitly emailed us to say that my wife sharing her COVID status caused the school to take action.

I assume you wouldn't contest that? The point is that the action they took as a result was incorrect

You have the DfE and the LA both effectively acknowledging that the school was in the wrong. You could flag it up with Ofsted - they won't take any immediate action but when they inspect they may check whether the school's health policies are all up to date. I think that's about as far as you can take this.

Nominative · 14/05/2025 07:54

LegallyLoopy · 13/05/2025 22:20

Which law did they break that you quoted to them?

Presumably the law requiring children to receive full time education?

hhtddbkoygv · 14/05/2025 07:55

Pibrea · 13/05/2025 21:57

If your kid is anything like you, they probably just wanted a three day break from him.

Nice bullying of a child.

Nominative · 14/05/2025 07:56

PickwickPaperFile · 13/05/2025 22:04

That poor, poor school.

However you feel about OP's approach, I don't think that a school that has been proved to have been telling lies can be described as a "poor, poor school".

prh47bridge · 14/05/2025 07:56

SuperTrooper14 · 14/05/2025 05:50

I see you are still banging on about exclusion. Your son being told (wrongly) to stay off for three days wasn’t an exclusion. An exclusion is a form of punishment for which the school, governors and LEA will follow strict processes. So if you have kept insisting they excluded him, using that terminology, and they keep saying no, and that’s why you think they have lied, then you are wrong. They did not exclude him in the formal way you are saying they did when you use the word “excluded” and that’s why you will never win this argument with them.

This is wrong. What the OP describes is clearly an exclusion.

Any time a school stops a pupil from attending lessons is an exclusion regardless of the reason and regardless of the process followed. The fact it was due to the mother's illness means it was an unlawful exclusion. The fact the correct processes were not followed also means it was an unlawful exclusion. OP is correct that her son was unlawfully excluded. If the school does not accept that it was an exclusion it is the school that is wrong, not OP.

SuperTrooper14 · 14/05/2025 07:58

Isitreallythough · 14/05/2025 07:45

Somebody made a mistake. Not a very big one, and most likely in good faith.
If you’d wanted to punish them for that, then you have - you’ve cost them huge time and stress, detracting from their work in educating and making good decisions for the next cohort.
Yes, people should own their mistakes, but maybe as per a previous poster they have been worried about it getting blown up further if they say the wrong thing.
You don’t need to pursue this further. Let it go. Leave them in peace.

Edited

He wants them to own up to lying about them excluding his son. He’s fixated on “exclusion”. What they actually did was ask them to keep their son at home while mum was ill with Covid. Their son was never excluded from an educational setting in the proper sense of the word and as per DfE processes. But try telling Ian that.

SuperTrooper14 · 14/05/2025 08:00

prh47bridge · 14/05/2025 07:56

This is wrong. What the OP describes is clearly an exclusion.

Any time a school stops a pupil from attending lessons is an exclusion regardless of the reason and regardless of the process followed. The fact it was due to the mother's illness means it was an unlawful exclusion. The fact the correct processes were not followed also means it was an unlawful exclusion. OP is correct that her son was unlawfully excluded. If the school does not accept that it was an exclusion it is the school that is wrong, not OP.

Nope, still not an exclusion.

Nominative · 14/05/2025 08:00

Tiswa · 13/05/2025 22:28

A mistake isn’t a breach of a code of practice

But lying about it is.

MayaPinion · 14/05/2025 08:00

Silversixpenny · 14/05/2025 06:21

Change schools if you can - you will never trust them again.

They are 100% arse covering, like a lot of schools who think they are God and can operate outside the law. Now, they don't want their reputation to suffer.

But first, don't let them off the hook - ask for ALL communicaton under GDPR ico.org.uk/for-the-public/getting-copies-of-your-information-subject-access-request/ about your son including, but not limited to:

  1. School's pupil management system with EVRY reference to your son.
  1. Every communication from every member of staff regarding excluding your son

Share this link, ico.org.uk/for-the-public/getting-copies-of-your-information-subject-access-request/ so they know you know what your rights are: they have a month to respond, and within that month, if they think it will take longer, they have to tell you and they have 2 more months to get it all to you, with context.

"...under the ICO Subject Access Request, I expect to have all of this information sent to me by (quote date of 1 month from the day of your request). Should you need extra time to process this, I expect to hear before (quote same date) and the date I will get this in

They are allowed to charge a maximum of £10 for admin/time.

"I understand you may charge a nominal sum for your time / admin costs. Please let me know what this will be, and how to pay you. I understand from x that this does not affect the time frame of 1 month to hear from you, or 3 months, as long as you have notified me of this within a month.

I look forward to hearing from you regarding this matter.

Yours sincerely,

etc"

At this point they will be realising they are finding out from effing around.

Don't let them off the hook, keep quoting the Data Subject Access Request.

Good luck!

But all that’ll do is get him some documents he likely already has. And what’s the point?

Nominative · 14/05/2025 08:06

PyongyangKipperbang · 13/05/2025 22:41

The nastiness on here is breathtaking.

From the same women who are up in arms when their own child is the only one not invited to a party and are asking if they should make a fuss with the parents and teacher about it!

A 10 year old missing all the the big events of leavers week is a huge thing and yet so many are being vile and belittling.

Its embarrassing to be an MNer because of shit like this and I can see why there is such a bad name for MN against men when a man posts this and gets torn apart. If the OP had been a woman this would not have happened. And dont bullshit me and say it would because it really wouldnt have. Been here 20 years, this would NOT have been what was meted out to a woman.

You are disgraceful and shame the rest of us.

I rather agree, except that MN is capable of being just as shitty to women posters. There's a really odd attitude on MN that schools can do no wrong, teachers are living saints, parents who are anything less than totally supportive are entitled and their children are horrible badly brought-up brats. Dare to suggest a school or a teacher is fallible and you are solely responsible for teachers leaving the profession.

SuperTrooper14 · 14/05/2025 08:08

forgotmyusername1 · 14/05/2025 06:56

I think the issue here is a conflating of terms. You want the school to admit they incorrectly excluded your son. In an educational sense they didn't and will never say they did because in education 'exclusion' means he was suspended. This comes with paperwork, reintegration meetings, something being put on his educational record. Your son was not excluded. Your son was asked to stay away in the same way that children with d&v are asked to stay away for 48 hours to prevent infection being spread around school.

It looks as though in telling the school about covid status (when it wasn't a requirement and the school had already said not to have time off unless actually ill) the idea was for your wife to have time off but it backfired when the school used previous covid policy to also ask your son to remain home.

You say the school emailed to say that the reason your son was asked to stay home was because your wife told them she had covid and that they are blaming her... factually they are correct. Had your wife not told them she had covid, your son would not have been asked to also stay home- this is a statement of fact rather than an attribution of blame.

The school used outdated covid policy to ask your son to stay home. It is unfortunate but as a result of your complaint they acknowledged their error and updated their policy. That is your victory.

They can't reverse time or throw your son the party he missed. Take the change in policy as their admittance you were right and move on

Exactly this!

Tiswa · 14/05/2025 08:12

SuperTrooper14 · 14/05/2025 08:00

Nope, still not an exclusion.

I thought an exclusion had to be on disciplinary grounds and that the majority of remedies would be to get the child back in school.

the child in question has already missed the 3 days at the end of term and has moved schools exactly what can be achieved here? A change of policy - for what the number of parents who test and then report a covid test as so few and one suspects if they do report it it will be in order to keep their child at home to stop the spread.

so all the OP wants is a PERSONAL apology where actually in all of this he is the one who hasn’t had to stop working there or indeed missed his leavers week

Nominative · 14/05/2025 08:12

Motherofacertainage · 13/05/2025 23:08

OP: AIBU?
Whole of mumsnet united: yes!
OP: No I'm not; I am a warrior for truth and justice.

Except that isn't an accurate depiction of the thread.

Nominative · 14/05/2025 08:13

LegallyLoopy · 13/05/2025 23:10

What laws have been broken?

Education Act 1996 - requirement that all children receive full time education.