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She took his money

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CotesDuNone · 04/11/2024 10:54

Just need some advice if possible.

My dad passed away last month, he left nothing, no belongings, no will, nothing in his bank. I knew this would be the case as he lived hand to mouth and lived a very basic life. He told my bother he had a funeral plan, which I doubted knowing how he lived. With the niggle of a doubt, I requested his last few years bank statements to see if I could find evidence of a plan.

Looking back through his bank statements he was getting around £1200 per month from private pensions, he should have been able to live off that as he had a very subsided rent through a friend and single occupancy council tax.

Small back story. About 10 years ago the kid that lived next door to him was being physically abused by her mother. Her mum was an alcoholic that used to take random guys back for sex, and make the kid stand outside, and she used to try and kill herself once a week. The kid would look to my dad for comfort and support. Social services got involved and she ended up staying with her mum but often used to stay with my dad when her mum was on a bender. Dad gave her her own room and was the only real constant she had. He treated her like a daughter and would pay for things she needed for school etc. As she got older and into teenage years she started going out and about with her friends, living at home but often popping into dads to get subsidised with money for booze etc. He made sure she got s job when she left school and she was a decent kid, or so I thought!

I have been going back through his bank account and can see that he was giving her upwards of £250 per month and leaving himself short where he would borrow money from me. He would often call me and say he couldn't afford the heating or food! There were also a couple of transactions with her mums address on where hes paid for stuff and its been for the mum.

The girl is now engaged and has a kid of her own and lives about an hour from dad, however from his bank account there have been numerous transactions every month, sometimes totaling £500. There have been a few odd payments of her attempting to pay it back. The total in the last 4 years alone is over 5 grand that he's given her with her trying to pay back about £400.00. I'm absolutely livid. Not only that, hes paid for her fines for the toll bridge back to her home at least 3 times, well over £200.00.

I called her out over the weekend and she said he used to give her money here and there to help her out and she said she would pay it back, but he said no. I said she should have just done it. Her partner is a police officer and has asked me to deal with him as he's upset that I have pulled her up on it and that she has tried to kill herself since dad died as he was like a dad/grandad to her. Also very much to try and guilt trip me to not pursue this. She hasn't lived next door or with him for over 2 years and yet in the last 2 years alone the total is about 2.5k and then some. There are also transactions for takeaways he's paid for for her and her partner.

Any ideas where I stand legally? Can I report this as fraud as he was a vulnerable adult. He died of Pneumonia as he could not afford heating. The paramedics wrote a report about the state of his home, and I feel ashamed he lived like that. He was 4 hours form us but often refused to come and live with us. I have had to pay for the funeral as he literally had nothing at all. I feel like I can't grieve properly as I'm so angry. Angry at him for being so bloody stupid and angry at her for taking him for a ride.

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Jaxhog · 04/11/2024 10:58

Leave it. Pursuing her won't get the money back, and it was his choice.

ToriMJ · 04/11/2024 10:58

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NigelHarmansNewWife · 04/11/2024 11:01

I'm sorry for your loss and that you have found this out after your dad's death so couldn't do anything about it when he was alive. Telling you she has tried to kill herself since your dad died sounds highly manipulative. Interesting that her partner is apparently a police officer - I'd take that with a pinch of salt as it sounds to me it's been said to stop you from taking action against her. I would seek advice from Age UK as they will be able to tell you who to contact and what to say about this kind of financial abuse.

Maddy70 · 04/11/2024 11:02

He treated her like a daighter he wanted to help her out. Are you jealous?

It was his money to give away as he wished.

CotesDuNone · 04/11/2024 11:04

@ToriMJ no. He had numerous opportunities to come and live with us. We even offered to pay for his fare. Travelling 4 hours with two kids in tow wasn't always an option especially when we had nowhere to stay. And for the record my sibling lives the other side of the world. But thanks for trying to kick me while I'm down!

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LIZS · 04/11/2024 11:05

Unless you think she coerced him I doubt reporting it to police or ss will help now. However her saying her partner is in the police suggests she is trying to scare you off, is he really?

OMGsamesame · 04/11/2024 11:05

I wonder if this woman feels guilty that he was living in a damp flat

CotesDuNone · 04/11/2024 11:06

@Maddy70 I wasn't interested in his money. He never really had any. I work hard and have my own money. I was more interested in his wellbeing. But thanks for your kind comment.

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Tiswa · 04/11/2024 11:06

She also sounds very vulnerable though and I suspect as well and probably didn’t see the state he lived in because it was better than the place dhe came from

your dad made a difference in her life and he made a choice to sacrifice some things so she could have a life - it does sound as if he felt like a parental figure to her and she is grieving him too

CotesDuNone · 04/11/2024 11:08

@OMGsamesame no, it was his choice. When he moved in it was a palace, he stripped it and lived like that as he had mental health issues. Social services were not bothered with him. Thank you for your input, really helpful.

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GinnyPiggie · 04/11/2024 11:08

I'm sorry for your loss.

In the scheme of things, the money you are talking about is small. This woman he basically fostered, and brought up at his own daughter, who he clearly loved - and by the sounds of things, supported her on the path to a great and independent life. He sounds like a wonderful man. I cannot understand why you would want to pursue this woman. It doesn't sound like she was financially abusing him at all.

Pneumonia would not just be because his house was cold (over the summer?) it would be more complex than that.

There were probably things you could have done to look after him, but life didn't work out like that. Don't beat yourself up about that, or try to take out your grief on this other woman, who your dad clearly loved like a daughter. It's very early days, but counselling might be helpful to sort through your feelings.

Once again, sorry for your loss.

CotesDuNone · 04/11/2024 11:09

@LIZS yes he is. That's what makes it worse to me. He knew she was getting the money and said 'they' said they would pay it back, so it suggests he knew.

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Choconuttolata · 04/11/2024 11:10

It isn't fraud if he had capacity and knowingly gave her money to help her at his own expense. Unless you believe they stole his card and were using it fraudulently for the takeaways etc. They clearly had a close relationship. My Aunt had dementia and was doing similar for non family members for years and barely eating by choice. I had no idea how much until she died, thousands of £ and once they had the money they never visited. Nothing I could do as GP and social care wrongly stated she had capacity.

Error404pagenotfound · 04/11/2024 11:10

I’m sorry for your loss OP but there is nothing you can do.

People are allowed to make unwise decisions.

LostOnTheWayToManderley · 04/11/2024 11:13

I wouldn’t. Pershing what she hasn’t even got won’t make a difference. Try and see it as your dad was a good man trying to help out a vulnerable little girl and that continued into her adulthood.

Yes, it’s awful that he went without and was less comfortable than he might have been if he kept that money each month. Yes, it’s a horrible feeling that he might have been co-erred, if not at the start then as she grew up.

The comments from partner about her killing herself are manipulative and should be ignored. I assume you have no reason to be in contact with either of them, so I’d move on rather than torture myself with it.

Very sorry for your loss.

(edit - autocorrect typo)

CotesDuNone · 04/11/2024 11:13

@GinnyPiggie I did lots for him. I bailed him out financially when he was on the phone asking for money. The transaction of my money going in were the same day as the money going out to her. I bought him a cooker, a fridge freezer, warm clothes, which sadly were all untouched in his wardrobe. He had complex issue and for some reason I will never know chose to live the way he did. I had counselling before he did to try and get my head around the fact he would not come and live with us.

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PenGold · 04/11/2024 11:13

I’m sorry for your loss.

I think I’d be inclined to submit an online report to the Police concerning the possible exploitation of a vulnerable and elderly man. In my opinion this is something that the police should be aware of, as the partner is either pretending to be a police officer, or is actually a police officer and could be argued to be complicit in the grooming and exploitation of a vulnerable person.

I realise it won’t help address the situation with your dad but it may help to stop it happening to someone else in the future, it may also help you to start processing your grief.

All the best, OP 💐

OMGsamesame · 04/11/2024 11:14

CotesDuNone · 04/11/2024 11:08

@OMGsamesame no, it was his choice. When he moved in it was a palace, he stripped it and lived like that as he had mental health issues. Social services were not bothered with him. Thank you for your input, really helpful.

I meant the woman he gave money to!

But given what you've said about your father's choice would it have made a difference to his living conditions if he hadn't sent money to this woman?

I am very sorry for your loss. It must be hard not to be able to do what you'd want to do for a parent especially when they are not mentally well.

What outcome are you hoping for - is it for all the money your father gave her to be paid back to you?

Octavia64 · 04/11/2024 11:14

It doesn't look like she has lied to your dad to obtain money, so this is not fraud.

He is allowed to give his money to anyone he wants as long as he is of sound mind and it looks like he was - you don't mention any dementia etc.

Sounds like she was struggling (and had an awful childhood - poor kid) and he lent/gave her money which she has tried to repay.

Unless there are significant other circumstances you have not mentioned this isn't fraud or illegal at all.

Maddy70 · 04/11/2024 11:18

CotesDuNone · 04/11/2024 11:06

@Maddy70 I wasn't interested in his money. He never really had any. I work hard and have my own money. I was more interested in his wellbeing. But thanks for your kind comment.

I didn't mean that you were interested in his money but he clearly wanted to give it to her rather than her manipulation. You say there are various moneys has given back too so i doubt it was fraudulent

They obviously cared about each other. They were both vulnerable people that found èach other

You are grieving and lashing out its understandable.

You wont be able to prove anything untoward

Gummybear23 · 04/11/2024 11:23

CotesDuNone · 04/11/2024 11:04

@ToriMJ no. He had numerous opportunities to come and live with us. We even offered to pay for his fare. Travelling 4 hours with two kids in tow wasn't always an option especially when we had nowhere to stay. And for the record my sibling lives the other side of the world. But thanks for trying to kick me while I'm down!

I would leave it.
He had a choice he gave her money
Who knows what the aarrangements were.

I wouldn't try to pursue anything now. It is futile.
Too little too late.
Causing you unnecessary stress.

ComingBackHome · 04/11/2024 11:23

It was his choice.
Regardless of whether you think it wasn’t the right choice, you have no proof that she was extorting money from him.

You might find it uncomfortable to think he was living with even less than you thought. But he could have chosen to say NO. To move away and take your offer to move in with you.
He didn’t want that.

I think you need to accept that.

Gummybear23 · 04/11/2024 11:25

They were obviously both lonely and vulnerable.
But they clearly cared for one another.

You will gain nothing but anguish.

If he were alive maybe, but now he is dead nope.

LumpyandBumps · 04/11/2024 11:27

I am sorry for your loss. It is awful to lose a parent.

I do think the title of your post isn’t necessarily the case.

Is there anything to suggest that she took his money, which suggests theft or coercion, rather than he willing gave it to her?

No action can be taken against her. The only person apart from her to know exactly what happened is your father.

If you possibly can I think you need to draw a line under this, for your own sanity

Soxersandbocks · 04/11/2024 11:28

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Wow. What a nasty piece of work!