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Can they force contact for my 12yo?

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mediationforanidiot · 30/01/2024 16:10

Long story short, Dd's dad left when she was under 1yo. He never signed the birth certificate and soon shacked up with another woman and marrying shortly after. I went via CMS. He took me to Court to try to stop me getting maintenance, to which the Judge laughed and told him he had to pay. As a result he went self-employed, paying appx £5pw as he suddenly went from over 55kpa to 9kpa.
So far, fairly typical.

So, I don't want to drip-feed but it is lengthy, so here goes:
When dd was about 3 her nursery asked if I could get in touch with him for contact as apparently she was talking about him and painting him pictures. My heart broke at this point and I decided to send an email seeing if he had changed his mind about contact. We had a seemingly productive few emails where he was interested in her and seemed to want to meet. As the date grew closer he suddenly sprung it on me that if I dropped CMS he would meet her. I said the whole "it's not a pay per view" etc and refused. However a few months later, after it had been playing on my mind, I decided that I could get by without £5pw and actually I'd never forgive myself if he turned around to her later and said that was what stopped him from seeing her. Ridiculous I know but at the time it seemed like a sensible way to show willing re contact. Of course, as soon as CMS was cancelled he disappeared. Zero contact and zero maintenance. I felt he had made his choice but emailed to say the ball was always in his court re contact as I felt in the future when he was more willing to be a parent he might regret his choice.

There's a huge amount more but I've just typed half of it out and it's like a dissertation and hopefully not all needed. So, skipping to the end:

He has decided he wants contact
Dd and I met him last year and for 4 months I tried to do things at weekends with him (I paid for these and drove etc, really bending over backwards)
His behaviour was erratic and unstable - he frequently had no money and at the last meeting went "missing" for hours returning drunk

He left un-prescribed drugs in my car the same weekend
At this point I decided that was enough and I wasn't going to continue to meet up with him with dd as I could see his behaviour was unsafe (4 weekends)
He began messaging essays me about how he was going to take her now because I wasn't being a good parent. I told him I was blocking him as he was being nasty and needed mental health support. At this point he was really only messaging me - it always felt it was about getting to me rather than helping her.
He then began messaging her saying I had kept her away from him for all of the years in her childhood.
He told her he was going to take over and help her with her future as he knew more influential people than me.
She became scared he was going to actually do the above. We had long chats about his state of mind and how he has no parental rights so that is not going to happen. I asked her if she wanted to block him and she said yes. We blocked him on her devices and I unblocked him to explain this was her choice and I was going with her wishes. In the future she would contact him when she was ready to continue their relationship. I've had him blocked since.
Just before Christmas he turned up at my dad's house uninvited in the dark. I have never given him my dad's address, so he must have found it on the electoral roll. My dad told him to go away and shut the door. He has a ring doorbell thankfully so everything is documented.
After this I emailed his ex wife, who confirmed that he has multiple severe mental health problems he refuses to get medication and mental health help for
She also told me he regularly takes drugs and is an alcoholic (all of this I have seen evidence of on the weekends and can attest - she is not trying to "stir")
She also confirmed his recent work has been far more erratic than he led me to believe due to the above issues and he has not held a job for more than 3 months in 9 years.

I have today had an email from mediators, saying that he has turned up requesting they contact me for mediation. I have responded summarising that he has drug and alcohol issues, no parental rights and DD does not wish to see him so, no, do not want to have mediation.

Now I am sitting here worrying that he is somehow going to drag me back to Court and turn my life upside down, like he tried to when she was a baby, demanding to see her. Can this happen? I heard a scary interview on R4 last week about the father who abused his daughters and was allowed to repeatedly have contact, although he had PR so I hope this is different. After hearing that show though, I am really worried that somehow this man will be able to wreak havoc on us. Please can someone tell me that is not the case?

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shewasrooting · 30/01/2024 16:18

there’s only one thing unfathomable to me

why the hell did you actively want indeed actively pursue someone like this in your child’s life

i mean for 4 months I tried to do things at weekends with him (I paid for these and drove etc, really bending over backwards). seriously 😒

shewasrooting · 30/01/2024 16:19

how old is your daughter now?

Notamum12345577 · 30/01/2024 16:22

shewasrooting · 30/01/2024 16:18

there’s only one thing unfathomable to me

why the hell did you actively want indeed actively pursue someone like this in your child’s life

i mean for 4 months I tried to do things at weekends with him (I paid for these and drove etc, really bending over backwards). seriously 😒

Because she thought her daughter, who is old enough to have some say in it, had a right to get to know her father if she wanted to?

mediationforanidiot · 30/01/2024 16:24

She is 12

Obviously I had had no contact with him since he emailed when she was 3. Had I known his mental and physical state I wouldn't have. The first 2 meetings were odd but he seemed ill physically rather than mentally, although very nervous.
The last 2 were terrible and it was clear he had fallen apart, so I stopped. I knew I had to protect my daughter after the last weekend. I really hadn't expected this, as he was a workaholic and I had imagined his life to be high-flying rather than drug addled, it was a big shock and I didn't want to have a knee-jerk reaction until I was sure it wasn't just nerves or physical illness (we thought he had cancer as he has lost a lot of hair).

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shewasrooting · 30/01/2024 16:24

Notamum12345577 · 30/01/2024 16:22

Because she thought her daughter, who is old enough to have some say in it, had a right to get to know her father if she wanted to?

a toddler?

shewasrooting · 30/01/2024 16:25

what instigated the re contact last year?

ClaudiaWankleman · 30/01/2024 16:25

shewasrooting · 30/01/2024 16:18

there’s only one thing unfathomable to me

why the hell did you actively want indeed actively pursue someone like this in your child’s life

i mean for 4 months I tried to do things at weekends with him (I paid for these and drove etc, really bending over backwards). seriously 😒

Nice way to put all the blame onto the OP. Of course, the father's behaviour is understandable, it's OP's that is 'unfathomable'.

OP wanted her DC to have contact with the father and put a stop to it when his behaviour turned from ignorant and selfish to down right dangerous. That's perfectly acceptable, good parenting.

shewasrooting · 30/01/2024 16:26

but an utterly shite father not paying CMS isn’t “unfathomable” to me because i see it all over mumsnet 🤷‍♀️

HirplesWithHaggis · 30/01/2024 16:35

shewasrooting · 30/01/2024 16:24

a toddler?

Did you read the thread title? She's 12 years old.

mediationforanidiot · 30/01/2024 16:35

The long bit is how he got back in touch...
Dd wanted to meet him before starting senior school. I emailed and said she was asking again. He ignored, called my bluff, got cross for weeks. I assumed it was NO.
Then he suddenly decides to fly to UK (unknown to me he was in another country) and refuses to message or Skype her at all beforehand as he wants to "do it properly" I told him this wouldn't work and arriving without even a Hello beforehand wasn't the way to do it. He was adamant this was how he wanted to do it but did eventually did send 2 WA to say brief "Hi" before arriving.

Unknown to me was that he had actually apparently quit work in that country, given up his flat, sold a car and had decided he would now live back in UK. He hadn't even planned somewhere to stay here.

So I did feel quite ambushed once that was explained. I think he thought I would just take him in!

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shewasrooting · 30/01/2024 16:43

HirplesWithHaggis · 30/01/2024 16:35

Did you read the thread title? She's 12 years old.

yea but when she was 3 op pursued contact

shewasrooting · 30/01/2024 16:44

and then after that meeting followed 4 months of get together

how was he and your dd getting on?

shewasrooting · 30/01/2024 16:46

is your daughter adament she wants no further contact?

because at 12 her view will be taken in to account

mediationforanidiot · 30/01/2024 16:47

3 the first time - he said yes if I stopped maintenance, then never contacted me again.

She was actually still 10 when we messaged him about meeting. He took about 3 months in total before flying over, for what I thought was a few weeks. That was partly why I was trying to hard to have memorable weekends, as I assumed he was here for a short time only.

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shewasrooting · 30/01/2024 16:48

and during those 3/4 months… how did your dd and he get on? was she ever alone with him?

shewasrooting · 30/01/2024 16:49

did he stay with you??

TheNanny24 · 30/01/2024 16:51

You haven't done anything wrong OP, ignore the other poster. You gave your DD the opportunity to know her father and it hasn't worked out.

As he's such a mess it seems unlikely he's ever going to take you to court.

Even if he does, no one is going to force a teenager to have contact with a father she doesn't know and doesn't want to have contact with.

mediationforanidiot · 30/01/2024 16:54

He was very fidgety and talked non-stop. We both assumed it was nerves but the rambling became a bit odd. He seemed to like giving her "life lessons" which were mainly him talking about the effects of his childhood on him and his learning. He didn't ask her any questions, lots of projection.
After the second meeting she said to me she thought he was flirting with me and had largely ignored her. It didn't get better and even when he knew she had exams he didn't ask her how they went, didn't check in to see how she was. The longest message she got was when he ranted to her about how it was me who stopped him seeing her when she was little and how I have anger issues, etc etc.
I don't, if I need to point that out!

She has no wish to see him again and in fact is quite worried about him turning up. She is also worried we don't know more about his mental health problems (he admitted on the last meet up he has bi-polar, which is why he said he had the meds - for ADHD in kids?!) but there was more to it than this and she worries it might be passed down genetically. I am confident he is unstable and unsafe.

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shewasrooting · 30/01/2024 16:56

ok so…. she’s clear that she doesn’t want to meet

does he know this?

either way, let him pursue it. Doesn’t sound as though he could arrange a piss up in a brewery let alone secure and pay for a solicitor.

mediationforanidiot · 30/01/2024 16:59

@TheNanny24 thank you. My friends have said the same but that R4 programme really stuck with me. Things that seem obvious don't seem to be very obvious in the Family Court setting?

She is so happy at the moment and I really can't bear the idea of him harassing her for time on her weekends for years. She has so many friends we visit and busy weekends; the last thing she wants is to be made to sit in a contact centre to keep him happy against her wishes.

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Windymcwindyson · 30/01/2024 17:00

Even with a court order really in exh's favour at 12 ds went nc with him...ex didn't even argue as he knew no court would enforce contact. I imagine a judge would want dna tests before anything.. Would he even turn up for that? Especially if he takes drugs.. Ignore and carry on raising your dd op.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 30/01/2024 17:02

@mediationforanidiot at 12 years old her wishes will be taken into account by the sheriff or judge! if she does not want to see him then he wont but if she does then you have to allow it.

mediationforanidiot · 30/01/2024 17:11

@Windymcwindyson that's really good to hear, so even with a Court Order they haven't made your son go in? You haven't been threatened with legal action or fined etc? I think I just worry he has so much time on his hands he might just go for whatever chaos he can cause. His ex-wife was quite instrumental in helping him go Self Employed and taking me to Court the first time, but even she has had enough now so I don't see him being organised enough or have any money as she apparently paid for him back then.

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aitchteeaitch · 30/01/2024 17:19

No, they cannot physically force a 12 year-old girl to have contact with an adult male she hardly knows if she doesn't want to, even if he is her father.

Windymcwindyson · 30/01/2024 17:38

Ex didn't even have me a nasty letter sent. Previously I had dozens

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