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Eveh13 · 2023-12-13T10:14:47+00:00

I am currently lost and fuming at this situation. I apologise for the long post.. I am currently 7 months pregnant and my partner was caught driving alone on a provisional and without MOT (the appointment was on a same day but daytime, and he was caught at 2 a.m.). He has 3 charges against him and obviously needed to be removed from the policy. We want to plead guilty without attending a court but we Don't know how to explain himself, to try and lower a sentence. He was caught coming back from work at around 2 am but the officers did not include this in the report (to where he was going). He said to the officers that he needed the car to get into work. The police officer on the report quoted, ""I cautioned the driver who made no reply to caution". What does this actually means? I'm so confused. 🤔 He had shown the police officer his provisional licence and on the report says, quote "the vehicle was not displaying any L plates and the driver was unsupervised. The driver identified himself and the police checked it and he was free to leave walking. (Car was seized and under my name, I have full licence). The thing is, how do we plead guilty and so can he explain himself? He wants to tell the court that he took the car to "help" me because I'm 7 months pregnant and we have a disabled child at home. We just don't know how to write it officially. I will be giving birth soon and I am dreaded and exhausted from pregnancy and this situation. Thank you

PinkDeer · 13/12/2023 10:44

Do you and your partner not understand that it is illegal for him to drive the car on a provisional license without someone who is aged over 21 and has had a full licence for at least three years supervising him? I’m assuming you are in the U.K?

ActDottie · 13/12/2023 10:46

Wtf???? So because you’re pregnant your partner can break the law, I’m currently 8 months pregnant I’ll let my husband know he can drive illegally…

Your partner is an idiot, he was driving illegally and deserves whatever sentence he gets. It’s disappointing that you keep saying you need to find an excuse for him… as though you aren’t taking it seriously. What he did was illegal there is no excuse.

LadyBird1973 · 13/12/2023 10:55

People are struggling to pay for everything, the way things are at the moment. He needs get to work to keep their heads above water and probably couldn't afford the driving test and insurance. Not excusing what he did, but I imagine it's something he felt he had to do, just to keep things ticking over financially. Few people drive like this through not caring - a man who is working at night and looking after a pregnant wife and disabled child is unlikely to be a boy racer type who doesn't give a shit about safety.
Again, not excusing it - it's incredibly risky and potentially very dangerous but I don't think it would have happened unless they felt forced into it by life circumstances. OP is pregnant and stressed .
You need legal advice asap OP

StarlightLime · 13/12/2023 10:57

LadyBird1973 · 13/12/2023 10:55

People are struggling to pay for everything, the way things are at the moment. He needs get to work to keep their heads above water and probably couldn't afford the driving test and insurance. Not excusing what he did, but I imagine it's something he felt he had to do, just to keep things ticking over financially. Few people drive like this through not caring - a man who is working at night and looking after a pregnant wife and disabled child is unlikely to be a boy racer type who doesn't give a shit about safety.
Again, not excusing it - it's incredibly risky and potentially very dangerous but I don't think it would have happened unless they felt forced into it by life circumstances. OP is pregnant and stressed .
You need legal advice asap OP

Nonsense.

StaunchMomma · 13/12/2023 10:58

You don't get to break the law as a 'favour' to a pregnant woman!!

If he'd have had an accident, with no licence/MOT/insurance, how would you have paid for that?

It's not a FAVOUR it's FUCKING STUPIDITY!!

Every court in the land will laugh if he 'gets to have his say' and then SAYS THAT!!!

Absolutely ridiculous, honestly.

bumtrumpet · 13/12/2023 11:01

@LadyBird1973 "doesn't give a shit about safety". You read the part where it doesn't have an mot and he hasn't passed his test, right?

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 13/12/2023 11:01

There is nothing really that he can say in mitigation - there are no excuses that could make this acceptable. He could have killed someone. Be glad that he didn't.

I think you probably need to seek proper legal advice.

Neitheronethingnortheother · 13/12/2023 11:05

LadyBird1973 · 13/12/2023 10:55

People are struggling to pay for everything, the way things are at the moment. He needs get to work to keep their heads above water and probably couldn't afford the driving test and insurance. Not excusing what he did, but I imagine it's something he felt he had to do, just to keep things ticking over financially. Few people drive like this through not caring - a man who is working at night and looking after a pregnant wife and disabled child is unlikely to be a boy racer type who doesn't give a shit about safety.
Again, not excusing it - it's incredibly risky and potentially very dangerous but I don't think it would have happened unless they felt forced into it by life circumstances. OP is pregnant and stressed .
You need legal advice asap OP

That's not really how life works though is it

As a partially sighted and physically disabled person there are many times in life where simply getting behind the wheel of a car to drive somewhere would have been quicker, cheaper and less painful. But I don't, because that would be wrong, dangerous and illegal

People sometimes seem to forget that driving is a privilege not a right.

SoRainbowRhythms · 13/12/2023 11:07

LadyBird1973 · 13/12/2023 10:55

People are struggling to pay for everything, the way things are at the moment. He needs get to work to keep their heads above water and probably couldn't afford the driving test and insurance. Not excusing what he did, but I imagine it's something he felt he had to do, just to keep things ticking over financially. Few people drive like this through not caring - a man who is working at night and looking after a pregnant wife and disabled child is unlikely to be a boy racer type who doesn't give a shit about safety.
Again, not excusing it - it's incredibly risky and potentially very dangerous but I don't think it would have happened unless they felt forced into it by life circumstances. OP is pregnant and stressed .
You need legal advice asap OP

Aye great excuse for breaking the law.

NoNoNanette · 13/12/2023 11:09

LadyBird1973 · 13/12/2023 10:55

People are struggling to pay for everything, the way things are at the moment. He needs get to work to keep their heads above water and probably couldn't afford the driving test and insurance. Not excusing what he did, but I imagine it's something he felt he had to do, just to keep things ticking over financially. Few people drive like this through not caring - a man who is working at night and looking after a pregnant wife and disabled child is unlikely to be a boy racer type who doesn't give a shit about safety.
Again, not excusing it - it's incredibly risky and potentially very dangerous but I don't think it would have happened unless they felt forced into it by life circumstances. OP is pregnant and stressed .
You need legal advice asap OP

@LadyBird1973

OP is pregnant and stressed .

And... your point is? Too much preggers-entitlement around.

2jacqi · 13/12/2023 11:10

sorry, but guilty as sin!!! provisional licence????? what was he thinking of???? and you knew he had not passed his test!!!

LadyBird1973 · 13/12/2023 11:10

Like I said, I'm not excusing it. But I think there might be reasons why a person feels they have little choice. People do sometimes make bad choices because all their options are bad.
I don't know, obviously. Just saying it's a possibility.
Why did the police pull him over OP?

JoyeuxNarwhal · 13/12/2023 11:12

Maybe if he was driving dc to the hospital that may possibly be extenuating. Even if he was driving you he was still a dick to be driving with no MoT.

@Eveh13 was this an exception, him driving alone to/from work? Or is he doing it regularly?

JenniferJupiterVenusandMars · 13/12/2023 11:14

As you obviously knew he was driving illegally, how long has this been going on for? Months? Years?
I cannot imagine this is the very first time he’s done this and you’ve guilty of enabling him to do so. There aren’t any excuses. None at all.

GotMooMilk · 13/12/2023 11:15

OP I feel sad for you having this additional stress but what a bloody idiot he is.

HappyHamsters · 13/12/2023 11:16

If the car is in your name and has no mot then neither of you should be driving it

CoatOfArms · 13/12/2023 11:20

Agree that there are no shades of grey in this, no mitigation. He didn't have a licence or MOT. The best he can do is hold his hands up and appear very contrite and promise he'll never do it again

He's going to get a fine, and lots of points on his licence when he passes his test. Your insurance is also going to go through the roof. There is NO WAY around that. All the stuff about work and you being pregnant is completely irrelevant. He needs to seek proper legal advice rather than expecting his pregnant girlfriend to canvass opinion on MN.

PotteringAlonggotkickedoutandhadtoreregister · 13/12/2023 11:20

He can’t drive
the car has no MOT
he won’t have been insured on it.

there are no mitigating circumstances here. He simply cannot explain himself.

NerrSnerr · 13/12/2023 11:22

There are so many people who drive illegally who don't believe the rules apply to them. I bet he'd been driving without a licence for a long while, but he's only just got caught.

The police didn't do anything wrong.

LIZS · 13/12/2023 11:22

Not sure what mitigation you think applies. If he was driving back from work presumably he also drive there unsupervised. Has he done this previously? Is it not an automatic revoke of his licence/ban?

PickledPurplePickle · 13/12/2023 11:24

This is one of the weirdest posts I have read on here

How is he 'helping' you by driving illegally? He broke the law, the car shouldn't have been driven without an MOT full stop, he has no licence - he has to take the punishment now

Jifmicroliquid · 13/12/2023 11:25

You are being completely unreasonable. Your partner does not have a proper driving license and the car has no MOT, yet you think that because you are pregnant that is an excuse??

Im guessing this isn’t the first time he was driving it alone either, so basically he thinks there’s nothing wrong with breaking the law.

The entitlement of some people is just unreal.

Littlegoth · 13/12/2023 11:28

There’s no justification for this. He was driving around without a licence and therefore uninsured. If you let him drive your car it’s your fault too, and you should be bloody grateful he didn’t have a smash and injure you, your unborn child, and innocent strangers. Personally I hope they throw the book at him. I live in fear of some dickhead who shouldn’t be behind the wheel of a car hitting mine while I’m driving my small children somewhere. Disgraceful.

if you allowed this then you are a disgrace too and should be ashamed of yourself.

cupofdecaf · 13/12/2023 11:31

If the car didn't have a valid MOT how was it insured for you to drive?

NoCloudsAllowed · 13/12/2023 11:32

I don't know why people are giving you such a hard time on here. He wants to plead guilty. Neither of you are saying he shouldn't have any punishment.

Courts look at personal circumstances when deciding on sentencing, eg past history of offending, engaging with drug services etc where appropriate. Their aim is to ensure a fair punishment and reduce risk of reoffending.

So if you're up for your tenth offence and show zero remorse and were obviously reckless eg front lights out as well as speeding and no insurance, you'll get a worse sentence.

Your partner driving to work and your being pregnant is relevant as they tend to not want to prevent people from being able to earn a living as this causes hardship to the whole family and leads to shoplifting, burglary etc in some circumstances.

Your best option is to express remorse, explain circumstances, maybe get a lawyer to help.