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Partner caught driving on provisional licence, no mot

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Eveh13 · 13/12/2023 10:14

I am currently lost and fuming at this situation. I apologise for the long post.. I am currently 7 months pregnant and my partner was caught driving alone on a provisional and without MOT (the appointment was on a same day but daytime, and he was caught at 2 a.m.). He has 3 charges against him and obviously needed to be removed from the policy. We want to plead guilty without attending a court but we Don't know how to explain himself, to try and lower a sentence. He was caught coming back from work at around 2 am but the officers did not include this in the report (to where he was going). He said to the officers that he needed the car to get into work. The police officer on the report quoted, ""I cautioned the driver who made no reply to caution". What does this actually means? I'm so confused. 🤔 He had shown the police officer his provisional licence and on the report says, quote "the vehicle was not displaying any L plates and the driver was unsupervised. The driver identified himself and the police checked it and he was free to leave walking. (Car was seized and under my name, I have full licence).
The thing is, how do we plead guilty and so can he explain himself? He wants to tell the court that he took the car to "help" me because I'm 7 months pregnant and we have a disabled child at home. We just don't know how to write it officially. I will be giving birth soon and I am dreaded and exhausted from pregnancy and this situation. Thank you

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CoatOfArms · 13/12/2023 12:01

I really don't think that anyone piling in to call the OP's partner a "scumbag" is in any way helpful, do you?

OP wanted advice on minimising the repercussions of this event on their family - he needs to see a lawyer about that.

starfishmummy · 13/12/2023 12:02

bumtrumpet · 13/12/2023 10:42

What a coincidence that they caught him the very first time he committed these offences. There aren't any defences to this AND if you try to say he was helping you, you might find yourself booked for knowing allowing him to drive your car. What a prat, sounds like he's going to be a totally responsible father.

Exactly. If the OP says she let him use the car then she could be booked. If she says she didn't let him then they can add taking without consent to his charges.

purplecorkheart · 13/12/2023 12:02

Op I think your DP needs to hold his hand up and take his punishment. His excuses will most likely make then worse and certainly not better. He has no excuse. The fact you are pregnant and have a disable child are not relevent I am afraid. The fact that his was coming home from work will suggest that he does this regularly and will make things a lot worst. I suspect that is why the Police Officer did not include it in his report.

SgtJuneAckland · 13/12/2023 12:03

The police have done you a favour not mentioning he was travelling to and from work as that indicates a pattern of behaviour (which it seems it actually is) rather than a one off.
He committed 3 offences, expect a ban a significant fine and most likely a community order with either unpaid work (community service) or a thinking skills programme, possibly both. He might get away without the programme if he's never been arrested for similar/convicted of anything previously

ActDottie · 13/12/2023 12:04

StarlightLime · 13/12/2023 10:57

Nonsense.

Agreed!!

Thenewmags · 13/12/2023 12:04

I’ll be blunt. You both seemed incredibly self absorbed. It’s all about what you two want with no regard for the law and other road users.

I’ve had to spend hundreds on driving lessons this year alone, and a theory test. I’m hoping to sit & pass my practical next year. It has taken me years due to starting lessons off and on. Often I HATE travelling on public transport a lot due to how busy, and unreliable it is and also how dirty and unsafe it can be. Not once have I thought oh I’ll just use a car illegally because it’s expensive /hard to get a full license.

You chose to have this family knowing he didn’t drive. If it was such an important thing for him to be able to drive, why not ensure he had passed his test before you had another child??

There is no excuse so just plead guilty, express remorse and accept the punishment. And most importantly make sure you never do it again.

If you were aware /enabled this, I don’t know if legally you’re partially responsible but you certainly are morally responsible along with your partner of course. Do better.

viques · 13/12/2023 12:04

CoatOfArms · 13/12/2023 12:01

I really don't think that anyone piling in to call the OP's partner a "scumbag" is in any way helpful, do you?

OP wanted advice on minimising the repercussions of this event on their family - he needs to see a lawyer about that.

Actually I think it has probably helped the OP to realise how her partners actions, and her complicity , are viewed. She seemed to think in her initial post that saying sorry and giving making excuses was going to be enough to absolve him from most of the consequences of his stupidity.

greengreengrass25 · 13/12/2023 12:06

I think your partner is irresponsible and selfish

How can it be acceptable to drive on a provisional license and no MOT

PropertyManager · 13/12/2023 12:07

Worth noting that he cannot have just been pootling along safely or otherwise the rozzers wouldn't have stopped him.

He must have been driving erratically or dangerously in the first place, unless the number plate came up on an un-insured list??

Even if he just gets 6 points and a fine, I think he will really struggle to get insurance - I hope he is kept off the road, he's dangerous, end of.

Daffodilsandtuplips · 13/12/2023 12:08

You need legal advice OP. You yourself could be charged with allowing an unlicensed, uninsured person drive a vehicle without a valid MOT.

Ohthatsfabulousdarling · 13/12/2023 12:08

OP, the 3 charges you mention, are they previous to this occasion or are they all resulting from this once?
Tbh, I think you need to really look at this situation how does it make you to feel that he's driving around unlicensed, uninsured, and without a valid MOT? All of these put him at additional risk of having an accident and seriously hurting or killing people without recourse.

Whilst I understand that you have your own circumstances to take into account, he can't just drive around illegally.

You need to step away from this and stop using "we" in this situation. He's the one acting illegally. There's no excuse at all for the driving illegally. He should rely on public transport if that's the safest thing to do.

ISSTIUTNG · 13/12/2023 12:09

Don't be daft OP. There's millions of people in this country have disabled children and spouses who are pregnant. The vast majority of them do not commit driving offences...

Your defence is feeble and disingenuous at best and likely just to piss off the courts even more. And as pp have said quibbling it is likely to lead you to reveal that he's been doing this regularly.

The best thing your dp can do is admit the offence, take it up the backside and think carefully about how to make sure this doesn't happen again. The best thing you can do is consider deeply whether this man is mature enough to be a responsible husband and father and whether you could parent your children better without him

CoatOfArms · 13/12/2023 12:11

Worth noting that he cannot have just been pootling along safely or otherwise the rozzers wouldn't have stopped him.

Well they could, as most police cars have on-board ANPR which will ping if a car goes past which is not taxed, insured or no MOT. And at 2am, it's going to be obvious that a car without a MOT is not going to a pre-booked appointment.

BluebellTimeInKent · 13/12/2023 12:11

This isn't AIBU, people.

OP these are strict liability offences - he is either guilty or not guilty.

We want to plead guilty without attending a court but we Don't know how to explain himself, to try and lower a sentence.
He will need to go to the magistrates court if he is summonsed and plead guilty. Alternatively he may be sent a letter asking him if he pleads guilty or not guilty and asking him what his weekly income is (to calculate the fine). If he completes that, he may not be summonsed.
He will need to tick the box to say guilty, because he is.
He can then provide a "plea in mitigation" either in the big text box to explain himself or if he has to attend court he can provide it orally.

He said to the officers that he needed the car to get into work. The police officer on the report quoted, ""I cautioned the driver who made no reply to caution". What does this actually means? I'm so confused. 🤔
It means the police have actually done him a massive favour - he basically told them that he does this regularly and they haven't noted it down. Evidence of regular uninsured driving is an aggravating factor on the sentencing guidelines.
His answer also suggests that you knew perfectly well he had the car (you would if he does this regularly) and quite often police will follow up by asking whether the registered keeper knew the person was driving - if "no" then the driver can be charged with TWOC (taking a motor vehicle without consent) or the keeper can be charged with allowing an uninsured person to drive their vehicle. So the police have been quite nice to him by not going down this route.

The caution is as follows: "You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence."
The idea is to stop people from coming up with a cock and bull story at a later date.
If his reply to caution was that he needs the car to get to work it would suggest that he is regularly doing this and thinks his needs are more important than the law. This is not a position that would impress magistrates.

The thing is, how do we plead guilty and so can he explain himself? He wants to tell the court that he took the car to "help" me because I'm 7 months pregnant and we have a disabled child at home. We just don't know how to write it officially. I will be giving birth soon and I am dreaded and exhausted from pregnancy and this situation. Thank you
Provide the explanation either in court or on the form that is sent. Avoid saying "I needed to do this because...." as he did not NEED to drive uninsured. A good approach is a shit sandwich but with the shit on the outside - I'm an idiot, but here is my explanation, did I mention I'm an idiot.

"I know that I should not have been driving. My wife was 7 months pregnant at the time and we have a disabled child at home. I was worried about them, and I made the foolish decision to drive so I could get back to them quicker than taking the bus. I realise this was a poor choice especially as the car was overdue an MOT. In hindsight I realise how serious this was, because if I had been involved in an accident I would not have been insured and this could have caused immense stress and difficulty for everyone concerned. I realise I am very lucky not to have caused any damage to anybody, and I now understand that even without causing an accident, uninsured and unlicensed drivers have an effect on others through higher insurance premiums. It is not a mistake I will ever repeat and I hope to get my full licence as soon as I am permitted to do so. I would ask for credit for my guilty plea."

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 13/12/2023 12:11

He wants to tell the court that he took the car to "help" me because I'm 7 months pregnant and we have a disabled child at home

He was driving home from work, not taking you to hospital or something similar. There are no mitigating circumstances here.

housethatbuiltme · 13/12/2023 12:12

No explanation is needed... he broke the law, its a simple as that.

You cannot drive without a license, it does not matter why he did it (but the reasoning is beyond pathetic btw he did not on any planet 'need to help you by driving home from work').

By not having a license or a qualified driver he nullified insurance which is a SERIOUS driving offense.

MOT's need to be performed BEFORE they run out, you cannot be on the road without and MOT. Doesn't matter if its 12 hours out it's illegal.

He broke 3 of the biggest road related crimes (no valid license, no insurance, no MOT) the only way it could be any worse is if you drip feed that he was also drunk too.

Your license or the car being in your name doesn't matter one single jot unless you are willing to report the car stolen (which will add theft to his charges), as it stands you are an accomplice to the crime and also guilty.

Trying to 'justify' it shows a lack of any remorse or understanding of how you where in the wrong and will gather a harsher punishment.

JenniferJupiterVenusandMars · 13/12/2023 12:13

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 13/12/2023 12:11

He wants to tell the court that he took the car to "help" me because I'm 7 months pregnant and we have a disabled child at home

He was driving home from work, not taking you to hospital or something similar. There are no mitigating circumstances here.

Not forgetting that you knew that the car didn’t have an MOT, therefore it was uninsured too, or that he was driving illegally and had been doing so for some time.

Rainbow1901 · 13/12/2023 12:14

You are about to make things worse for yourself. If you say you knew nothing about him taking the car and driving it - then it would count as theft as well. If you say he did it to 'help' you then you are aiding and abetting him and stand a chance of being prosecuted as well.
Let him suck it up and stay quiet!! And book your MOT sooner next time!! I can never understand why people leave it until the day it is due when you can book it in weeks before it is due - because if it fails the MOT you are then driving illegally anyway until it is booked in for repairs. Stay quiet OP and let DH plead guilty!

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 13/12/2023 12:14

So your car had / has no MOT, and thus no insurance ! and you allowed him to drive it - at the very least to and from work that evening.

Oh dear.

Just plead guilty, no circumstances.

and he accepts his punishment as do you as I guess you will have to pay for the car to be returned to you after it being seized.

Sunsea21 · 13/12/2023 12:16

For you to prove mitigating factors the car use would have had to be
(1) an emergency essential purpose
(2) no other possible way to complete the purpose.

for example, you were giving birth, in danger and no ambulance could be got and no one else around to help at all.

going to work sadly isn’t as it’s not essential (in that he could get another job elsewhere)and it wasn’t an emergency, it was a planned activity.
wEven jt you could prove the first there are many other ways he could have travelled so would fail on the second too.

i wish you well and I hope you can get things sorted with as little pain as possible

Locutus2000 · 13/12/2023 12:16

Your only options are:

Full and frank admission to the charges, enter reasonable mitigation and hope they don't go after him for being uninsured too.

Employ a highly expensive solicitor in the hope they can get him off on some kind of technicality.

C8H10N4O2 · 13/12/2023 12:16

NoNoNanette · 13/12/2023 11:09

@LadyBird1973

OP is pregnant and stressed .

And... your point is? Too much preggers-entitlement around.

The OP hasn't expressed any entitlement just concern about what will happen to their family.

If he was the archetypal white affluent male doing this then he would have a solicitor drafting his mitigation statements by now which would absolutely include all this kind of information on personal circumstances and his OP wouldn't be posting here. Mind you he would also be more likely to have afforded the cost of a licence and a car in the first place.

Partner was banged to rights - he has broken the law and should expect the penalties. He is also entitled to put his case and mitigations in the best possible light.

I really hope that all the posters wanting to crucify someone for driving without a full licence are also lobbying hard to get better and affordable public transport options so that shift workers and the low paid can get to and from work safely without a car.

Littlegoth · 13/12/2023 12:21

@C8H10N4O2 Give over. What about those people who do have licences and insurance wanting to get to work safely and not put at risk by this sort of dickhead. You are as bad as she is, trying to excuse it.

She was perfectly fine with him driving her car, she’s only bothered now he’s been caught. That is literally the only problem she has with the situation. Unbelievable.

Sexlivesofthepotatomen · 13/12/2023 12:21

Littlegoth · 13/12/2023 12:21

@C8H10N4O2 Give over. What about those people who do have licences and insurance wanting to get to work safely and not put at risk by this sort of dickhead. You are as bad as she is, trying to excuse it.

She was perfectly fine with him driving her car, she’s only bothered now he’s been caught. That is literally the only problem she has with the situation. Unbelievable.

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Hear hear

Daisies12 · 13/12/2023 12:21

Sorry but you’re being ridiculous. He broke the law, it’s very clear - there is no excuse. Don’t try and lie about it, the law doesn’t care about your pregnancy or child. I hope you never let him drive with you or the child in the car, that’s very negligent