Landlord has upped my metre to £4 a day

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Hello I currently live on top of a shop and we are on a sub metre so the main supply runs from the shop but I pay for my eletric tokens for my own prepaid metre. So I give the shop the money for my eletric token to help contribute to the main metre. Now the shop has recently become vacent so now the landlord has had a bill. Which he doesn't want to pay it seems. So he said for me to pay him in installments or he does something to my prepaid metre. So since Friday evening when I topped up I've gone from £37 to now £25 and its only Sunday! Is this right hes put my metre to start at £4 a day?

At the moment you aren't being charged the "standing charge" you are only paying for the usage. At the moment the standing charge is £4 per day, you have the invoice at the shop to so you can verify that. You need to send me pictures of the meter in the flat so we can reduce the standing charge to a residential rate

If anything hes put me on a £4 rate as I wasn't paying that before he messed with it. I woukd of still had around £36.20-£35 still now not £20.it seems its taken £5 so far and I haven't gone threw a whole day yet. It looks like maybe the weekend was a tiny bit cheaper as its taken £5 already so far and not even in to mid day properly yet.

i think rate 1 is the rate at which he is reselling electricity to you so he is charging you 240.00p or £2.40 per kWh. This is why even just the fridge running overnight is consuming so much.

He is entitled at best to charge you the cost per kWh of the electricity plus VAT at 5% which is less than the 20% he pays plus a proportion of any standing charge. Proportion of the standing charge should be 50% at most as two properties are running off the one supply.

Whatever rate one was previously set at was not in line with what he should have charged to resell to you at the actual cost of the electricity and so he is now charging you a vastly inflated amount to recoup that. However this breaks the law for reselling electricity.

I think you’ll technically be able to insist he adjusts the rate to the actual demonstrable cost which will still be a lot more than you’re used to.

Does the bill you shared show anywhere the rate per kWh and any standing charge?

Thats on the back of the letter which I think states all the usages etc.

It's so confusing

My daily standing charge is 49.93p for electricity and 28.8p for gas. He needs to adjust the rate to something more like mine and then you’ll be saving £3.50 per day.

Always with alacrity yeah that's what my son dad said his is around. I would of still had around £35 today if he hadn't changed it. It's taking way to much. I'm not even useing tumble dryers or anything like that i havent stuck my washing machine on yet as I'm anxious what's it going to take.

I think this is him making me pay him back tmbecaise of that bill he had. And he asked me to pay in instalments and said if u couldn't then this was the alternative option where he's upped my metre.

So the current rate for the supply is 116p. Plus VAT at 5% he can set rate 1 to 121.80p. He’s charging you double that.

He could potentially charge you 50% of the standing charge. He’d still have that standing charge to pay even if your flat was empty so I’d argue for less.

That standing charge is ridiculous!

It sounds a lot in the context of the domestic price cap but this doesn’t apply to a commercial premises.

He did say I'll be paying more if he did this with metre. I should of said I'll pay him so much a month with rent. I was told I wasn't liable for the bill that's y i declined paying so that's why he's did this to my metre.

So I've just worked it out I have £20.40 and I had £25 lastnight so it's roughly taken £4 odd already and the applaicnes I've used today are the kettle twice I don't watch TV during the day or have any lights on so its just the fridge and the kettle I've used today and its taken £4 and half already. Dreading later this evening when I start tea as. I microwave some bits also so that willl probably take £2 which it did yesterday evening. So I'll be down to about £18 by tonight

£37 to £18 in matter of 2 and half days seems ridiculous

It sounds like an odd set up. The flat isn't fully independent of the shop? Do you pay council tax.

Call the energy provider and see if you clear up what's going on.

Ask the landlord what he is charging u per kwh

there’s nothing wrong with this set up he’s fitted independent metre in your flat to pay for what you use
at a guess the shop has had estimated bills cleared off and now they’ve had an actual reading hence the big bill
you have already paid for what u use via your metre

Yeah i pay council tax. I think i will phone the provider up now and see what they say. It seems hell of a lot if I useing alot of appliances like dish washers etc i could understand it but I'm mainly run off gas see like my cooker is gas central heat etc hot water is all on gas which I dela with on on my man the gas metre is all mine nothing connected to the shop thank god I couldn't imagine what it would be like if my gas was connected to shop to. So I use little eeltricrlty only really my washing machine is the one that wouid take a lot and I haven't used that since the metre change to scared to.

OP I recommend the Facebook group Energy and Support
They are experts in this sort of stuff and many of the people work for energy companies and they will often liaise with the energy companies on your behalf

Will the provider be able to me what KWH I'm useing.

Your LL has no right to mess with your meter. Contact the supplier and explain the situation . If you are on a separate meter to the shop then your name should be on the account and any discount given by the government would come to you. You are not responsible for any bills to do with the shop as it is a separate residence.

Remind him that as a reseller of electricity it’s his responsibility to set a legal rate. Between August and October he set a rate that was legal but led to him making a loss on the resale. He doesn’t have the right to recoup that retrospectively.

He needs to return and reset the meter so that going forward he complies with the law i.e. does not charge you more than the cost to him of the electricity he resells/you consume. If he does not your recourse is to take him to the small claims court.

This is still going to mean that due to the set up your electricity costs are going to be far higher than someone on a standard domestic supply. It’s up to you whether the other advantages of this tenancy outweigh that cost or to negotiate a rent reduction to reflect the disadvantage.

You could push him to get the supply separated out and the flat out on a domestic tariff but it’ll cost him a four figure sum to do this so it’ll be a commercial decision for him as to whether the current set up renders the flat unattractive to rent.

I will go on Facebook and check that out energy group out. I think someone said its his own metre specialised for landlords to mintior the tanents usage etc and it isn't a main metre run by a supplier. So I'm unsure if he's legally allowed to or not.

I asked him before to seperate me and the shop and he declined. He doesn't like spending any money what so ever. Yes giving me the right amount of electric tokens as I pay but it's going down rapidly to what I normally use to use. So he is giving me the right amount I'm paying for like for the actual tokens. But he's set that metre so it's taking roughly £5 and half a day of me. Even if I'm useing eletricity or not.

I've sent you a pm.

Read the thread it’s a private metre nothing to do with supplier LL has done nothing wrong setting it up like this but sounds like he’s reselling at higher rate than he’s allowed

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