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Landlord has upped my metre to £4 a day

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Ccickenroast · 06/11/2022 16:17

Hello I currently live on top of a shop and we are on a sub metre so the main supply runs from the shop but I pay for my eletric tokens for my own prepaid metre. So I give the shop the money for my eletric token to help contribute to the main metre. Now the shop has recently become vacent so now the landlord has had a bill. Which he doesn't want to pay it seems. So he said for me to pay him in installments or he does something to my prepaid metre. So since Friday evening when I topped up I've gone from £37 to now £25 and its only Sunday! Is this right hes put my metre to start at £4 a day?

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Ccickenroast · 06/11/2022 22:51

Loads of diffrent displays come up I'm unsure how to find the units tomorrow I will post pics of my metre on diffrent settings and see if anyone here can work out what my unit rate is

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OverArmour · 06/11/2022 22:57

Seeing as he has so much time to be messing with your meter - I hope you also have a gas safe certificate / proof of deposit scheme etc?

Ccickenroast · 06/11/2022 23:01

The gas is separate thats the only thing I have of my own and I control and pay for on my very own metre separate. the electricity and water supply runs from the shop.

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Reassemble · 06/11/2022 23:18

Ccickenroast · 06/11/2022 23:01

The gas is separate thats the only thing I have of my own and I control and pay for on my very own metre separate. the electricity and water supply runs from the shop.

Sorry I meant, I hope he’s taking care of his legal requirements as a landlord to ensure you’re safe and protected.

www.gov.uk/renting-out-a-property

Landlord has upped my metre to £4 a day
fyn · 06/11/2022 23:31

If he is selling you electricity there is a cap per unit he can charge you. You should contact OFGEM for advice - www.ofgem.gov.uk/sites/default/files/docs/2005/10/11782-resaleupdateoct05_3.pdf

JulesCobb · 06/11/2022 23:31

Galliano · 06/11/2022 21:59

It sounds like there is a single electricity supply to the premises I.e. you are not metered separately.

Your landlord has installed a sub meter to recover costs for the flat and has adjusted this to recover more than previously. There are legitimately sub meters sold which are managed by the landlord so he hasn’t tampered with an actual meter.

The bill indicating use of 4-5 kWh per day shows very low usage. The 2900 kWh used by the government for an average U.K. domestic property is about 8kWh per day. If the shop has been empty since august and the bill spans august to October it does seem likely that you are the consumer of all the electricity.

However the bill is very high for that usage by a domestic customer, presumably because it’s on commercial terms and includes VAT at 20%. I don’t think the £66 rebate will apply as it’s a commercial bill.

The landlord is obliged to not charge you more than the electricity has cost him which I think he can probably show he hasn’t as you’re the only occupant.

What does your tenancy agreement state regarding the billing?

i agree this sounds most likely

Ariela · 07/11/2022 01:00

It sounds to me like the shop is paying a (high, because it's not capped) business rate and thus he's passing the cost on to you.
Realistically you need a separate meter for your own supply.

Ccickenroast · 07/11/2022 07:11

I've just woke up now and I have £23 so it looks like it's taken around £1.80 overnight. I had £25.20 at 11pm before I went to bed lastnight. So I've worked it out it's taken £14 since Friday evening. I had £37 Friday evening and now have £23 I'm unsure why it's taking so much. Feels unfair I have to run a high eletric just because the shop is commercial. I'm unsure I have a fight with this seeing as it's the landlords own metres hes supplied. 😥

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Ccickenroast · 07/11/2022 07:14

By this evening I will be down to about £20 I've worked out how much it takes a day and it takes around £5.30 a day I have limited so much that I use. Luckily my cooker is gas etc. Dreading putting my washing machine on today as this will be the first time I've used the washing machine since he changed the metre on Friday.

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thepurplewhisperer · 07/11/2022 07:38

He's going to be on commercial rates and by default you are now paying commercial rates.

So there is no rebate from the government or capped price per KWH.

It looks like a genuine amount for a commercial premises.

Can you see what you are using in KWH per day? I think it's important you know and then you can argue that your bill Is too high as you shouldn't be paying commercial rates as you are domestic.
He as your landlord should be subsiding your price per KWH as it's down to him not wanting to separate out the domestic supply with a new meter.

Definitely get some advice for this. It doesn't sound legal if he's passing off commercial rates to you and expecting you to pay them.

Ccickenroast · 07/11/2022 07:45

the purple whisperer. Yes it seems way to high as I have no limited what I use elelteic wise and no way am I useing £5 and half it's impossible. My son dad uses loads of eletrical appliances and even his doesn't reach the ammount im spending I used the kettle twice yesterday and the microwave to heat up a hot choclate which was 1 minute. I've limited lights to only one room and that's only to find things etc I've resorted to leaving lights off everything because of this and its still taking this ammount. I wouldn't argue it if I was useing tumble dryers dish washers etc but I'm hardly useing anything as I've limited everything down to literally useing hardly anything eletrical.

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Ccickenroast · 07/11/2022 07:49

I'm looking at it is this is how it is going to be until he changes me and the shop seprately. So in a way its down to him to deal with all this that goes on with the sub metre and what I'm running off. The deal has always been i top up via tokens for my prepaid metre. I mean that's what a prepaid metre is tenants are only liable for there prepaid metre. The landlord should really be sorting things out for me and the shop seprately. I don't think he thogiht it threw properly when buying this property and the shop.

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CircleofWillis · 07/11/2022 08:21

Is there anything left downstairs in the shop that could be drawing energy?

Ccickenroast · 07/11/2022 09:33

I can kind of see three the shop there's a phone line but think it's disconnected. And there's a plug I can see by the door but that's not switched on at the mains anything via the back tho I cannot see. It seems to be charging me alot threw the night when nothing is on obviously only my fridge but that has 2 stay on everything else. I switch of even at the mains I even turn my boiler off. So really confussed it charges more overnight.

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GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 07/11/2022 09:37

Thing is, if OPs landlord has set her submeter to the same unit price as he's being billed, it shouldn't be possible for her to be in debt - as she says when she's run out of tokens then the submeter cuts her electric.

OP, if you can see what the unit price is on your submeter, and see if it matches the unit price on the bill, then if it does it must be that there's something still turned on in the shop below. If the unit price on the meter is less than the price on the bill, then you could run up a debt.

But 4 kWh per day is low usage, so it seems reasonable that that would be all you.

Is the period the bill is for entirely when the shop has been empty? Or is there part of the billable period that was when the shop was occupied? I know you said they moved out in August, do you know the exact date? Was it before or after the 11th?

notapizzaeater · 07/11/2022 09:44

The daily standing charge goes on overnight - could that be it ?

Ccickenroast · 07/11/2022 10:14

I'm going to take pics of my metre now and post them see if anyone can see my units on there. They moved out on the 11th that was the day they left and gave the keys to landlord. So I must be on a £1.50 standard charge yet it takes about £3. 50 then threw the day which I'm not sure how it's taking that.

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Ccickenroast · 07/11/2022 10:30

I've just taken some pics of my metre hopefully someone can make sence of it.

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Ccickenroast · 07/11/2022 10:33

That is my display settings as you can see I have no emergency credit to which can't be right.

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Ccickenroast · 07/11/2022 10:34

And thats my balance now as things stand. gone from £37 Friday evening to £20.60.

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Ccickenroast · 07/11/2022 10:44

I'm confussed what Rate 1 means. and it has £240 next to it.

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Ccickenroast · 07/11/2022 10:59

So it's taken £17 since Friday evening at 5pm when I topped it up. I wouod still be on about £36.20 - £35 now if he hadn't changed the metre

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20questions · 07/11/2022 11:34

Is your standing charge £1.50 a day?

Ccickenroast · 07/11/2022 12:50

20 questions I have no idea because it's taken £3.80 already and all I've used today is the kettle. So it's taking £1.50 a night and then £3 in the mornnig when I've no way used that. Now this evening it takes around another £2.50 which is completely impossible to be taking that much. The landlord states in his messages he's reduceing me to a residential rate but he hadn't sine that I'm still runnig of what looks like a £4 set charge everyday in going to paste his text message on here now. But it looks like he's saying he's reducing it but he hasn't it still remains the same. I was paying £4 a day before Friday he messed with metre.

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Ccickenroast · 07/11/2022 12:54

This is the landlords text message to follow

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