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Will I look like a liar

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toatsconfused · 12/06/2019 12:10

So I made my final statement, my solicitor exchange with my ex. My ex only exchange a statement for Cafcass only, very brief. My solicitor has said to my ex that that is the only statement he can submit and needs to send it to court. My solicitor has told him that if he submit a further with evidence to court or me that they will ask the courts to have it removed.
My concern is that he has proof that parts of my statement aren't truthful. That he had contact when I thought he hadn't. And he has emails that look as if I prevented phone contact.
If my solicitor does asked for his statement to be removed will the judge read it first? Will I look worse for trying to stop him showing it?
Most his contact was supervised with myself and I believe it should carry on being supervised but he won't agree and can show occasionally it wasn't. Dd is 5. I am waiting for the section 7 to be done before I agree to anything other than unsupervised.

Also can he show the evidence at his meeting with Cafcass? I'm worried that I may look like I preventing contact when I just want the best for dd

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JustAnotherLawyer · 12/06/2019 13:25

You have a solicitor, therefore you should be directing all your questions to him/her as they have a better handle on the facts of your case.

That said, if you've lied, you're very likely to be found out anyway, as your ex will definitely raise the issues to the court, whether or not his statement is accepted. The bottom line is that he is very likely to be permitted to submit his statement whatever your solicitor says, especially if he is acting as a litigant in person.

SunnyGirl12 · 12/06/2019 13:30

Did you lie in your statement?
Did you prevent phone contact?
For what reasons does he have evidence that you have not been truthful? Ie, why have you misrepresented the facts?

I think you will be on shaky ground in that the truth could easily be revealed and this will compromise everything you have said and are trying to do.

Does your solicitor know all the facts? What do they advise?

toatsconfused · 12/06/2019 13:46

My ex is coming off all nice, friendly without concerns.
My solicitor is good but coming off as hard and keeps telling me to wait, not to start communicate with ex about future contact arrangements, which concerns me that when we do get to court the judge will just give him what he wants.
Solicitor says I should wait but the more I wait the better he looks. I have brought up concerns about the current contact but my ex has says I'm just being difficult and I'm worried.
His medical letter has no concerns, his contact centre notes showed him and dc having a great relationship.
Now I'm waiting for the section 7.
He hasn't been that interested since dc was born but somehow he's coming off like a loving dad.
I got the dates wrong when I thought he hadn't seen dc, it may of been 3 weeks and not 3 months.
I will just trust my solicitor, they have promised that if i do not offer more contact than the starting point for my ex won't allow overnights and shared holidays for a while. He will have to bring me back to court.
He also has a new baby that dc hasn't met yet, so contact can't be rushed to overnights.

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toatsconfused · 12/06/2019 13:49

I didn't stop phone calls, it was just a week when he didn't talk to dc, but the next week I did start calls back up. But then he stopped because he wanted to make the call and not me.

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CornishMaid1 · 12/06/2019 13:53

Trust your solicitor. They know what they are doing and are best to advise you. If they are saying to hold off then there will be a reason for that.

However, if you believe you made a mistake in your statement and have not told your solicitor you need to tell them know. It may be they will want to file something to clarify the error or bring it up in another way. If you do not tell them and continue the lie it is perjury as you will have sworn in the statement that it is the truth. Just make sure you have told your solicitor as they can advise you what needs to be done if there is a discrepancy.

ChicCroissant · 12/06/2019 13:58

I got the dates wrong when I thought he hadn't seen dc, it may of been 3 weeks and not 3 months.

You said in your statement that he hadn't seen the children for three months when it was three weeks and it was at a contact centre that would have records?!

toatsconfused · 12/06/2019 14:15

I said it in regards to the breakdown of contact. To show that at time he hasn't been bothered. But he has pictures with dates that show that he did see dc. My solicitor does know now and has received copies of what my ex is submitting.
I didn't liar so much as I don't remember every time he didn't show up and I don't want him to have too much time with dc and then leave again. He has a new baby now too so he won't stick to future contact

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toatsconfused · 12/06/2019 14:20

He saw dd in the contact centre due to me telling the courts that he hadn't had unsupervised contact before and that he didn't bother to see her. And Now he's got pictures and emails trying to say that I didn't tell the truth.
I will let my solicitor tried and stop his statement. I know what's best for my dd

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NorthEndGal · 12/06/2019 14:23

There was a huge difference between three weeks and three months.
Did you actually say he hadn't had contact for a quarter of the year, when he had?

ChicCroissant · 12/06/2019 14:26

I find it hard to believe myself tbh, you'd know the difference between three weeks and three months - no way would you get that mixed up. You tried to manipulate the evidence and now you're the one who has been shown to be untruthful. But you want to stop his statement instead? That's not going to reflect well on you in court.

NorthEndGal · 12/06/2019 14:27

Wouldn't it be better to show what you did to try and facilitate the contact?

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 12/06/2019 14:31

I didn't liar so much as I don't remember every time he didn't show up and I don't want him to have too much time with dc and then leave again. He has a new baby now too so he won't stick to future contact

You can't lie to try and limit the contact that he gets. I understand that you feel that you are protecting your daughter and minimising chances of future hurt, but the court will do that now, and you'll have to stick to what they say. You will look like you have deliberately tried to misrepresent the amount of contact he has, and mislead the court into awarding less contact. You don't want them to treat you like you're standing in the way of a relationship between your daughter and her father, you will make him look like a victim.

How many lies are there? Have you talked to your solicitor about them all? It may be that it's too late to do anything now. I would expect him to present evidence that you have lied during the case, so it may be worth working with your solicitor to come up with a response to that.

toatsconfused · 12/06/2019 15:04

From reading on here and what the Cafcass Officer said the past is the past and it's about moving forward.
So hopefully what i said it my statement won't seem that big.
I was trying to prove a point not prevent contact, but since court and the months before when contact stopped my dd hasn't seen my ex that much so what I said it kinda true. There relationship is ad hoc
I think I shouldn't of read all the stuff today I'm just worried.
My ex messaged to ask for us to try and communicate a plan moving forward , but I only agreed to supervised contact plus his parents live 2 hours away so I technically can't agree to more.
Thanks for the advice

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toatsconfused · 12/06/2019 15:08

@NorthEndGal I did, I sent over an email asking why he stopped answering the phone calls, but he has to email dated before asking why I haven't let him speak to her.
I also have a message I sent but he said he didn't receive it, but that's because he blocked me.

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toatsconfused · 12/06/2019 15:13

@ChicCroissant I understand that but when all this started I was heavily pregnant and lo is only a couple of months old now so my head has been all over the place.
I know it doesn't look good, but he did stop contact for 8 months before this went to court. If he just agreed in them 8 months to have contact at a contact centre none of this would be a issue. But he wouldn't and now he's acting as if I've prevented it. I just don't trust that he has enough time for his new family, work and my dd.
Dd is getting very confused, for 8 months it was just me and my dp and now she doesn't know what's going on

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NorthEndGal · 12/06/2019 15:20

It sounds like you still don't want him to have contact

BelindasRedPlasticHandcuffs · 12/06/2019 15:20

I didn't liar so much as I don't remember every time he didn't show up and I don't want him to have too much time with dc and then leave again. He has a new baby now too so he won't stick to future contact

You're going to wind up in a massive hole if you're manipulating the situation to suit what you want. Ultimately, the more you lie and bend the truth, the more you risk making yourself look untrustworthy. Courts don't look kindly on people bending the truth (or committing perjury) in proceedings. You wont be seen as someone doing the best by their child, you'll be seen as obstructive.

Echoing pps, there's a huge difference between 3 months and 3 weeks and it's unlikely that a judge is going to accept 'I couldn't remember' as an excuse for such a glaring inconsistency. If your ex's statement isn't thrown out and the judge does see that there's evidence you've lied then no it isn't likely to go well for you.

It doesn't matter how honourable your intentions are. You either lied because you couldn't remember the actual timescale so pulled a number out of thin air, or lied (knowing the truth) to make him look bad, hoping you wouldn't get caught out. You simply cannot do that and expect it to go well. Lying isn't going to protect your child. You need to be honest with your solicitor and rely on them to use the truth in the best possible way to help your case.

I know what's best for my dd

But you don't know the best way to achieve that and you're playing a dangerous game by not trusting the experts with the truth. It is the court's job to decide objectively what the best position is for your DD, and your solicitor's to fight for it, as hard and as horrible as that might be to accept.

The past might be the past but how you conduct yourself in these proceedings is very relevant. 'Kinda true' isn't enough. If he's so awful that you're trying to prevent an objectively fair contact arrangement then stay clean and don't do anything that will paint you in a bad light to the court. Let your solicitor do their job and represent you, and let the truth speak for itself.

MissReginaPhalange · 12/06/2019 16:09

It's okay for you to lie when it suits you, but I bet if he lies you'll make a huge song and dance about it being wrong.

Stop trying to manipulate everyone, it is wrong and not in the best interest of your daughter no matter how much you convince yourself it is.

If you be truthful, the court has a better idea of the situation and can issue an informed order.

ChicCroissant · 12/06/2019 16:19

Do you mean you refused him contact if it wasn't supervised at a centre? It does come across as you wanting to airbrush him out of the picture in favour of the new partner. It's not going to end well for you with that attitude, OP.

toatsconfused · 12/06/2019 16:36

My new partner is now my fiancé who I have a baby with and has helped bring up dd when my ex couldn't be arsed.
He's the one who didn't want contact enough to attend a court centre or see dd at my home. He dropped off or sent gifts but that's it and one gift was just to show how flashy he was.
I will let him have contact but my dd safety has to come first, he won't tell me what he's feed her, so communicate doesn't work and he dropped her when she was 1 because he doesn't know how to parent.

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toatsconfused · 12/06/2019 16:38

Does anyone know if a judge will read the statement first? And can he show parts at his Cafcass meeting?
Cafcass Officer said for us to stop bring up the past, so I'm guessing they won't be interested.

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Nicknacky · 12/06/2019 16:41

Why are you wanting to use a contact centre?

toatsconfused · 12/06/2019 16:45

Because he hasn't seen dd since he took her to meet he gf and her kids, he can be trusted and he was arguing with me saying I stopped him but I told him he could she her at mine

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luckygreeneyes · 12/06/2019 16:45

What are the reasons he can’t just have normal contact?

Greysparkles · 12/06/2019 16:51

You're sounding worse with every post OP

What are the reasons for using contact centre? It can't be just him introducing his gf surely?!

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