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Breaching of court order

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Extremophile · 26/06/2017 11:43

Hi everyone, Long time lurker first time poster.

I'm a bit stuck and have no idea what to do next. My story is a long one, but I will shorten it as best I can - any ideas on what to do are much appreciated.

8 years ago, after a very difficult and troubled relationship the father and I broke up. The break up was very bitter due to infidelity on my part, I was desperate for comfort after years of controlling and coercive behaviour. Ultimately I had a few problems when I left, around trust and confidence, so I wanted to get myself together before resuming contact with my child - who was 3 at the time.

There was a lot of hostility and bitterness on his part and maybe I didn't handle the situation as best I could. Having to start my life all over again, and still very fragile I was easily intimidated by him and his family. My work schedule was only released 1 week in advance and desperate for cash I couldn't change my shifts as I wouldn't have been able to support myself financially (or pay CSA), so occasionally I had to cancel or rearrange the visitation we'd agreed would be fortnightly. Eventually these broke down completely with wild accusations being thrown around on his part, it made visiting my child in a healthy environment and mindframe entirely impossible, so out of concern for my child and I withdrew from visitation until the situation calmed down.

I always tried stayed in contact with the Father and I sent presents and cards etc, but the intimidation and insults kept flying, so eventually contact with the Father became more sporadic. I wasn't being given any information about my child apart from 'they're ok' etc.

When my child turned 8 I started to get very frustrated and thought enough time had passed, maybe we could put everything behind us and work together for our child to know both parents - by this time the father has started a family with his new partner, so my child has half siblings, and has more than likely forgotten about me. I tried to be very civil with him, offering solutions to problems, trying to get more information about my child... nothing. More insults, more accusations, more intimidation. This went on for another 2 years.

I tried to attempt mediation with the father, but no he didn't want to do it. I had no choice left but to take him to court to get access. In the FHDRA he agreed that the child would meet me and it would be at a contact centre... great I thought. It never happened because they all thought the centre 'wasn't the right type of place' (based on my experience of him, to me this read - the father wouldn't be in control). So we went back for a final hearing and thrashed out a new order with the help of CAFCASS - after several attempts of his to muddy the water with things like - why aren't you paying CSA (I don't have an income of any kind - but that's another story). We managed to keep him on subject and he agreed to fortnightly visits in which I would travel a round trip of 600 miles to see our child, they would promote a healthy relationship between me and the child, and we would all listen to what the child wanted. For the initial meeting the step mother was to be present - all went well. Then in the intervening period after a few pleasant phonecalls with her (stepmother) backwards and forwards - things took a turn for the worse, with demands being thrown around that I would meet the step mother before my visitation with my child - I didn't think this was healthy as every other time the discussion always turned in to interrogation - not healthy before your visit with your estranged child.
After a whole week of instults and demands (all unreasonable on their part), the step mother shows up with her sister in law & my child, and in front of my child starts shouting questions at me. I managed to calm the situation down and protect my child from the worst of what was happening, but the two of the hung around hijacking my conversations and ruining the whole visit - at the end, both of them jumped up and infront of my child begin shouting at me, demandign I answer the questions they say the child is asking - questions about things that children just shouldn't know about - demanding answers to things like CSA payments and why my birthday present 'just wasn't good enough' etc. The sister in law started shouting at me and eventually snatched my child away, leaving the step mother hurling abuse at me infront of other people.

I apologised to everyone when they all left and asked the shop manager if they could be a witness for me. But I just don't know what to do now.

Please help

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kittensinmydinner1 · 26/06/2017 16:38

Ok OP I think you are wing given a bit of a hard time here but it's very very hard to hear you 'want us to focus on what's right for the child ' when you do clearly haven't done that. You state in your OP that you left your marriage 8yrs ago. I think the problem that everyone is having is that it feels a little self absorbed to take 8 yrs to get yourself sufficiently 'together' in order to get a court order. When my DH had his ex refuse child contact we were in court inside 3 months...

Nevertheless... the past is the past and it IS the child's right to see the parents. Not your right to see the child. So if the court has decided that the child wishes to develop a relationship with you and has seen fit to award you 2 hrs contact per fortnight- then that is what should be happening. CSA is completely irrelevant in this discussion- children are not pay per view. This is about the child wanting to see it's mother. OP. If the court order is not being adhered to then you have no other choice but to go back to court for enforcement. If this is your child's wish to see you, then you owe it to that child to ensure his/her wishes are upheld. Do not let them down again. Because this could easily be your last chance to do the right thing for them.

Extremophile · 26/06/2017 17:03

I never said it took 8 years to get myself together - I said it took a few months, and then restarted visitation, which was a difficult road getting the right balance - that then ceased due to the intimidation etc at play by the father, I stepped off a little hoping to let him calm down, whilst still maintaining contact with the father - all be it less than I would have liked. I tried mediation with him... that didn't work. I spent years trying to reason with him, trying to meet his requests, trying to come to an arrange,ment, and every time we made progress it suddenly went south him continuing to deny access... eventually I had to go to court... it's amazing how many details are being missed out when people are reading it.

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Freddystarshamster · 26/06/2017 17:04

It wasn't until the relationship ended, and I moved out to get help with the issues I'd been left with by him that I realised what had happened in the relationship - I was incredibly fragile and didn't even know I'd been coerced and controlled in such a way.

That was convenient. Because if you hadn't come to that conclusion, you'd look really bad eh? Hmm

Extremophile · 26/06/2017 17:05

you don't believe that people can be controlled and coerced in such a way?

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AddictedToDrPepper · 26/06/2017 17:06

Did you have contact with your child or only with your childs father in this time frame? Because from what you're saying it sounds like it's only your childs father you were in contact with for 8 years and not your child.

Freddystarshamster · 26/06/2017 17:11

you don't believe that people can be controlled and coerced in such a way?

I think you've convinced yourself of this to assuage your guilt

Extremophile · 26/06/2017 17:14

I had about a year of contact with the child after our relationship broke down. I then spent years jumping through his hoops desperate to try to work things out - I didn't feel strong enough to go to court immediately, particularly as for a short while I was effectively homeless... (not through anything bad, just finding a place to live that was affordable was very difficult at that time and for a short while I was sofa surfing) - all the while still trying to get him to let me see our child, still a no for whatever reasons he gave. We eventually arranged a point in time that he would tell the child and we would begin visitation... changed his mind at the last moment, and that was when I took him to court.

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Extremophile · 26/06/2017 17:15

you don't believe that people can be controlled and coerced in such a way?

I think you've convinced yourself of this to assuage your guilt

And you came to this conclusion from a handful of posts? wow, I take my hat off in the face of your reasoning skills.

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EssieTregowan · 26/06/2017 17:18

'The child' Hmm

Whatever the truth of this, in your own words you upped and left your three year old child, paid minimal child support and didn't see her.

I can quite imagine there might be some bitterness and anger on the part of your ex and his wife. I imagine your now preteen child has some pretty fixed ideas about you too.

My advice is to do whatever possible to make amends to all of them. Whether that means sucking up their 'abuse' (I'd love to hear their side of it) or backing off until your daughter is ready to see you of her own accord, I don't know.

But you need to own the damage you have done.

Extremophile · 26/06/2017 17:19

EssieTregowan

Was refused to see her - that is the difference

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EssieTregowan · 26/06/2017 17:24

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AddictedToDrPepper · 26/06/2017 17:25

You didn't feel strong enough to go to court in order to see your child... you don't deserve her quite frankly.

Extremophile · 26/06/2017 17:26

You didn't feel strong enough to go to court in order to see your child... you don't deserve her quite frankly.

Way to edited what I said - you missed out the word 'Immediately'... I clearly took him to court.

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Extremophile · 26/06/2017 17:27

EssieTregowan

You poor angry soul.

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EssieTregowan · 26/06/2017 17:29

Extremophile

Your poor abandoned daughter.

Extremophile · 26/06/2017 17:30

EssieTregowan

Oh, that's why I've spent years trying to patch things up with the father to see my child. right.... i forgot that.

I pray you are never on the end of control and coersion, driven to the edge of sanity.

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EssieTregowan · 26/06/2017 17:32

And do you know what? I am angry. Because you sound EXACTLY like my arsehole ex, and I've seen first hand the damage done to my daughter.

Right down to the 'but I have no income!' because he was living off his new wife.

They are both fond of saying 'I made it too difficult to see her'.

And if he swanned in now, damn right I'd be asking him the questions DD would want answers to. And so would my DH, who had brought her up since she was three.

You are no different. There are no mitigating circumstances here, you are not a special snowflake. You put yourself before your child all those years ago and you are still doing so.

EssieTregowan · 26/06/2017 17:33

I spent years in an abusive relationship until I left. And took my daughter with me.

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Collaborate · 26/06/2017 17:42

What a shower of cunts some of you are on this thread.

This is the legal section. OP did not come on here to be judged.

Appalling.

AliceTown · 26/06/2017 17:46

This thread is absolutely dreadful.

DawnOfTheMombie · 26/06/2017 18:01

Would you be calling us cunts if this were a man? Nope. Just because OP is a woman doesn't mean she should get a different response. A deadbeat parent is a deadbeat parent regardless of gender.

MrsBertBibby · 26/06/2017 18:03

Unbelievably self righteous twats on here.

OP, can't really improve on Collaborate's advice. Good luck, and ignore the pitchfork wavers on here.

JaniceBattersby · 26/06/2017 18:08

Christ alive. There are some horrible bastards on Mumsnet.

Good luck with getting your situation sorted OP.

Extremophile · 26/06/2017 18:11

Thanks nice people.

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