So WTF will happen if I take the children out of the jurisdiction without EXTOAD's consent?

[Karenthetoadslayer]

We are atm trying very hard to negotiate a settlement with exP. He has been very obstructive so far and purposely refused to deal with matters, such as the sale of the family home until the summer holidays, so we cannot go away. He suddenly became very active on 21st July. He has also forbidden us to go and see our family in mainland Europe. It would be great if the children could at least visit their grandparents while I am dealing with matters, as opposed to having to sit at home. I have signed undertakings to be available for the sale of the house, so I am stuck here, because we are in occupation, but the children should not have to be.

So what would happen if I chose to ignore him and put the kids on a plane so they can have a great time on the beach with their grandparents who have a seaside home? Would I get arrested?

I note that CAFCASS may not share his views not to allow the children to see their grandparents.

Karen, Karen, Karen...

CAFCASS is WRONG. TOAD is RIGHT.

What does it take for you to realise this?

CAFCASS may be informed by highly trained, educated children's specialists - but they don't understand that TOAD is the master of ALL knowledge.

It's going to take time for the power that he claims to be withdrawn from him, but you're the woman who is going to make that happen!

BabyBarrister might have the answer here: Go to court on an exparte on notice basis where you have told ex you are going to court but it will allow you to get on fast Make an application on a C100 saying where and when kids going, providing flight details and accommodation details.

I suspect that as you'll be wanting to do this, say over Christmas - it'll be a nice slap in the face for him.

Hi WWK !

I think it will be too costly to make an application every time. I will have to apply for what used to be called a residence order which will then permit me to take the children out of the country for up to thirty days at a time without having to ask him. I think it is thirty days.

Otherwise I would have to make a special issue application up to three times per year which I cannot afford. We are planning to spend most of the school holidays at the grandparents in the future and why not?

Meanwhile I expect that Toad is negotiating with the border agency to move the IOW out of the jurisdiction so he can finally take me to court for something. Or doing it himself. Like Poseidon.

He did not ask: oh how lovely, did the children have a nice holiday, hope everything went well. Not Toad. He was absolutely furious and threatened to take me to court.

negotiating with the BA to move IOW out of juridiction - hilarious!

I could well believe he's considered it.

See your point about the costs being prohibited but hopefully you can get a residence order and make his displeasure a permanent thing.

DS suggested to go to Gibraltar or the Falkland Islands. His granddad was considering it, as there had been sightings of sea elephants in the Falkland Islands that they both wanted to see.