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2 child limit, why is nothing done about it? Do you agree?

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Hopeforchildren · 27/12/2019 17:28

Hey guys, so it has been a fee years since the 2 child limit on tax credits. I know a few families with 3 children and started this thread for them. It seems quite odd that nothing has been done about it while most families have more than 2 children and are on low income. I mean not just single parents and non working parents, it’s a common struggle for all this including full time working couples or lone parents. What are your views on this subject. Shouldn’t there be a stop to it since its unfair on the child and even the previous children that has to go without? Before anyone attacking, please bear in mind that some people don’t agree with abortion or feel strongly connected with the baby to terminate the pregnancy. Looking forward to hearing your views. Please stay kind.

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puddingbowlee · 27/12/2019 19:35

completely agree that benefits should be a safety net & happy for my taxes to contribute to that. However it's not right that some families work but aren't entitled to any benefits & therefore restrict the number of children they have but other families can rely on the state. There was a thread not that long ago saying benefits for those with 3 kids would top you up to the equivalent of 70k, which I was really surprised at.

MerryChristmasUfilthyanimal · 27/12/2019 19:35

Then you better be ready to support the child you didn't do enough to prevent from being conceived.

Scarsthelot · 27/12/2019 19:36

Not everyone follows the "clump of cells" mantra. I would rather go without then kill my child.

I disagree on wording. But this would be your choice.

Pulpfiction1 · 27/12/2019 19:37

Too many people see children as a pay day and it's not right.

Do they? I've never met anyone that gets a payday through kids or sees kids as such. The only place I've seen that behaviour displayed is in the daily mail.

MerryChristmasUfilthyanimal · 27/12/2019 19:38

I've seen it (and been related to it) a lot.

PencilsInSpace · 27/12/2019 19:39

i pay taxes and don’t agree with the government using it much of the ridiculous things such as refurbishment of the Buckingham palace sending troops to countries we shouldn’t even be involved in or think about nhs funding for drug addicts that is their own personal choice too but still have to pay for it.

This is a bit shortsighted wrt drug treatment programmes. Children who grow up in poverty are far more likely to develop drug problems. Do you only care about them when they're little and cute?

Spacebowlisback · 27/12/2019 19:39

I would rather my taxes pay for means tested families (as many children as needed) rather than the blanket amount given out to every family. Having said that, this thread is downright offensive. You’re talking as if women and men have no agency over creating a child. It’s bizarre.

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Hopeforchildren · 27/12/2019 19:39

For those that are thick enough to think that I’m saying there is a limit on children please STOP! You just want to justify your views by saying nobody is stopping you. Nobody said the government is stopping anyone, they are just not giving equal opportunities. The point is that all children should be entitled to the same amount of money as their siblings no matter what order they emerged from their mother.

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Pulpfiction1 · 27/12/2019 19:41

@Scarsthelot the post I quoted says everyone has the choice to abort. My point is - no they don't. Abortion wouldn't be a choice for me or a lot of people.

MerryChristmasUfilthyanimal · 27/12/2019 19:42

The money is a lump sum deposited into one account. It is the job of the parents who created the children to work out how to spread that money throughout their homes.

One child is not being handed more than the other.

multicolouredbox · 27/12/2019 19:42

I think it's a good idea. Have as many dc as you want but do not expect anyone other than yourself to pay for them.
I stopped at one as I can't afford any more. I don't believe in relying on a benefit system for life either.

PanicAndRun · 27/12/2019 19:42

I'm really struggling with the fact that I can't afford even a second child and that this is it.

My comments would probably reflect that.

AlexanderHalexander · 27/12/2019 19:43

If you want more than two children, get a job.

I’ve got two children, and they are well looked after for because I have a well paying job. I don’t want more because I want them to have a good quality of life, am worried about the environment and want to give them enough attention .

Why should I pay for you to have more children than me, when I earn more? Why should you have loads of children that will drain the environment, and grow up in what sounds like poverty?

Dawsoncreek · 27/12/2019 19:43

Huh, pulp. Everyone has the choice in the U.K. as to whether or not they want to have an abortion or not. If you choose not to have an abortion, THAT IS A CHOICE in itself. Hmm

Spacebowlisback · 27/12/2019 19:43

But why is the onus for fairness on the state? Is it fair? If we pump additional money into funding larger families at the expense of other public services? If a younger sibling takes precedence over a child with for example a medical need?

Scarsthelot · 27/12/2019 19:45

the post I quoted says everyone has the choice to abort. My point is - no they don't. Abortion wouldn't be a choice for me or a lot of people.

Its a choice. You legally have the choice. You would make a different choice. Like it or not that is your choice.

ScreamingValalalalahLalalalah · 27/12/2019 19:45

The point is that all children should be entitled to the same amount of money as their siblings no matter what order they emerged from their mother.

But surely any parent would divide the money equally amongst however many children there were?

There would be less money for a family of three than a family of two, but that's life - it isn't fair - some people have more money than others, whether they've worked for it, inherited it, or claimed it in benefits.

puddingbowlee · 27/12/2019 19:46

The point is that all children should be entitled to the same amount of money as their siblings no matter what order they emerged from their mother.

I don't understand this.
Say you have 3 dc & get £500 per month for the 2 that qualify. Why would you not split the £500 for all associated kid costs?

Spacebowlisback · 27/12/2019 19:46

You speak as someone who is very young and feels they have no agency over their life - that’s difficult, but the flip side is you seem to think it’s the job of the rest of the world to make things fair. You’re the one who does the cost analysis for your life and you family. I appreciate that for some families, awful unforeseen circumstances plunge them into debt and yes - they deserve help. But that’s not what you’re saying is it?

JoJoSM2 · 27/12/2019 19:47

The point is that all children should be entitled to the same amount of money as their siblings no matter what order they emerged from their mother.

Well, if you get £30 per 2, then still £30 per 3, then just imagine it’s £10/each. Or £7.50 if you have 4. That will be all nice and equal.

Thornhill58 · 27/12/2019 19:47

We have one child. We can afford everything he needs.

chuck7 · 27/12/2019 19:48

A stop to it? Do you mean contraception? This is free on the NHS anyway

puddingbowlee · 27/12/2019 19:48

I had more disposable income when we had 1dc. I now have 2 so the income is spread across them both.

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Hopeforchildren · 27/12/2019 19:49

@PanicAndRun how can you not afford 2 children when there is enough support for 2? Don’t really understand, unless you have debt or something from the past that would affect your children.

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Cuddling57 · 27/12/2019 19:49

When I had my DS I saved hard to be able to afford him.
I was then amazed that you got free money each month for having a child!
I even got some wages for a while whilst I had time off work! Amazing!
It was like winning on the lottery each month and not even doing the lottery!
DS also gets free health care, free dental care, free education!
Still amazes me now!