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79Helene · 28/06/2024 23:18

Merailers assemble! The doors are open for part 4!

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MissConductUS · 22/03/2025 15:15

I hope I'm not sounding like I'm gloating about what's happened to Columbia. I'm a New Yorker, and it's an important part of our community and intellectual life. Critically important biomedical research has been done there for decades. Columbia Law School has produced four Supreme Court judges. My lovely mother-in-law got her doctorate from Columbia and then taught on the faculty for many years. She passed before the riots there last year, and I'm glad she missed them. She would have been mortified.

In a way, Trump has rescued Columbia from the extremists who've held it hostage for so long.

BeretInParis · 22/03/2025 18:57

I didn’t read it as gloating at all @MissConductUS. I sort of knew the implications of what had happened to Columbia but I’m cheered by you spelling them out. There’s very little cheering on the news so let’s take what solace we can!

MissConductUS · 25/03/2025 16:52

It seems as if the backsliding has already started at Columbia. The university president has told the faculty that there is no ban on wearing masks during protests and that they faculty of the middle eastern studies department won't have to change what they teach.

The whole article is worth a read, but here are some excerpts.

This is going to get ugly. Trump does not like being messed about with like this.

Columbia’s President Faces Angry Faculty in Closed-Door Meetings - Katrina Armstrong warns of ‘devastating’ risk of funding cuts

In the conversations with faculty, Armstrong also downplayed the changes agreed to with the Trump team. One issue Armstrong highlighted was the mask policy. While Columbia’s letter to the Trump team agreed to ban masks that conceal identity during unauthorized protests, Armstrong told faculty there was no mask ban.

On Monday, a statement from the Trump team noted that Columbia agreed to “enforcing a strict anti-masking policy that includes appropriate enforcement mechanisms for violations, including removal from campus or detention for trespassing.”

Several faculty complained the administration was engaged in strategic ambiguity by sending mixed signals to different constituencies—one for the public and one for faculty.

Students on Monday tested the school’s position. A group wore keffiyehs—a black-and-white scarf emblematic of solidarity with Palestinians—as well as face masks. The protesters handed out fliers listing their demands, including establishing Columbia as a sanctuary campus, with protections from deportation or detention.

Among Trump’s demands was placing Columbia’s department of Middle East studies in receivership—meaning a chair from outside the department oversees decisions such as faculty hiring and curricula.

Columbia’s agreement with Trump pledged to appoint a senior vice provost to “ensure the educational offerings are comprehensive and balanced.” Over the weekend, Armstrong and her team said that appointment wouldn’t impact how the department operates.

“The provost office is not going to tell anybody what to teach, ever,” Provost Angela Olinto said.

Armstrong pleaded for unity and patience. “This impossible situation that we’ve been put through, I think has tested us all and certainly tested me in ways that I have never anticipated being tested.”

stomachamelon · 25/03/2025 18:33

@MissConductUSi sincerely hope they enforce what was agreed and the whole ‘sanctuary campus’ rubbish stays as pie in the sky as it sounds. Why should you be exempt from the rules everyone else is supposed to stick to?

quantumbutterfly · 26/03/2025 08:57

At this rate Columbia could get through their presidents faster than I could finish a packet of wine gums.

quantumbutterfly · 26/03/2025 09:02

Or to put it another way..which lasts longer, a Columbia University president or a wine gum?

BooBooButts · 27/03/2025 17:53

quantumbutterfly · 26/03/2025 09:02

Or to put it another way..which lasts longer, a Columbia University president or a wine gum?

Definitely a wine gum! Although I thought things were measured in terms of lettuce nowadays?

quantumbutterfly · 27/03/2025 18:58

Depends on the lettuce, we use chinese lettuce a lot. It has more staying power than the rest, possibly longer than a Columbia University president but they'd have to both be refrigerated for fair comparison.

pepperaunt · 29/03/2025 09:21

Columbia’s president has resigned!

MissConductUS · 29/03/2025 10:36

pepperaunt · 29/03/2025 09:21

Columbia’s president has resigned!

Thanks. I had a new tumble dryer delivered yesterday, so I wasn't watching the news much. She really had to go after getting caught telling the faculty that nothing was going to change.

Columbia University President Steps Down Amid Trump Battle - Katrina Armstrong has been under pressure in negotiations with Trump administration over federal funding

Now that someone from the board of directors is acting president, let's see which way they're going to go and how much push back there is from the faculty.

quantumbutterfly · 29/03/2025 13:45

I appreciate your updates MissConduct. Here in the UK we watch with interest the events in the US, there's much publicity of all Trump's flaws of course.

Here we've seen a lot of antisemites emboldened, often facilitated by well meaning liberals who aren't seeing the whole picture. It feels like they're playing into the hands of those who despise 'western liberal democracy' and by extension often themselves as a product of it. They don't seem to see that their actions only make our society less functional for everyone, or they don't care.

btw I've finished my wine gums but the lettuce is still fresh.

MissConductUS · 02/04/2025 19:37

It seems that ordinary Gazans are not happy with the death and destruction Hamas has brought down on them by starting a war with Israel.

Revenge Killing of Hamas Policeman Adds to Pressure on Group - Gaza militants squeezed by rising anger among Palestinians and growing Israeli offensive

It turns out that attacking the civilians of a much larger country with a highly capable military was a bad idea. Who knew?

Diamond82 · 17/04/2025 12:41

I was just reading the thread about the letter from Jewish body condemning Israel’s latest actions, I’m interested to hear other Jewish perspectives on this. I can’t say I’ve wholly looked into it yet but already eye brows raised at some of the comments on there.

MissConductUS · 17/04/2025 16:27

Poor Hamas. Their bad luck never seems to stop. They're short on cash and can't pay their thugs fighters.

A Depleted Hamas Is So Low on Cash That It Can’t Pay Its Fighters - Israel has disrupted the Gaza militant group’s sources of cash and ability to distribute it

Why do bad things keep happening to them? Oh, wait, October 7th! All of the bad luck started then for some reason.

stomachamelon · 26/04/2025 22:01

@Diamond82different people have different views. They weren’t speaking for everyone and the board has come out and confirmed that.

Diamond82 · 04/05/2025 19:03

Very disheartened to see that the pro Palestinian groups recently went all over my nearest town and spoke to shop owners. There’s now No Apartheid products posters on a lot of my regular shops windows. I can only hope that some did it out of politeness and are not going to keep them there permanently.

EllaDisenchanted · 05/05/2025 13:51

Diamond82 · 04/05/2025 19:03

Very disheartened to see that the pro Palestinian groups recently went all over my nearest town and spoke to shop owners. There’s now No Apartheid products posters on a lot of my regular shops windows. I can only hope that some did it out of politeness and are not going to keep them there permanently.

I'm sorry @Diamond82 😖

I've seen a few revolting things in the last few days. It really feels like it is increasing in both number and intensity

https://x.com/habibi_uk/status/1918607747479662838 - ripping down hostage ribbons, because they are 'examples of Jewish supremacy', and crap about the Board of Deputies being a zionist or Israel asset or some other rubbish.

There was an incident the other day in Italy where an Israeli family with kids were thrown out of a restaurant (because no zionists allowed or something). They weren't protesting, or behaving badly, just came in as a family for a meal.

Then the barstoolsports incident, with the sign paraded around the bar saying 'Fuck the Jews' https://x.com/EYakoby/status/1919080016307986822.

Some of the comments on these are openly out and proud antisemitic, as bad or worse than the incident itself 😳

I'm seeing a definite increase in how blatant the anti semitism is becoming on X, I don't think it is my algorithm either, because it is often comments on Jewish/Israeli posters, and they get way too many likes. They aren't hiding behind hating zionists anymore either. The tropes are out, and they are getting louder and more emboldened.

https://x.com/habibi_uk/status/1918607747479662838

BeretInParis · 06/05/2025 16:35

I agree with you about how flagrant and constant the antisemitism is currently. I feel really subdued and scared about it all.

Diamond82 · 06/05/2025 21:37

@BeretInParis and @EllaDisenchanted yes I do agree, it is getting worse and is a very scary time for us. There have been a lot of anti Israel stickers I’ve seen in the area I live. I have removed a lot of them but I noticed if I don’t remove them, then no one does which is really upsetting.
I did at least read about the family in Italy you mentioned @EllaDisenchanted Hen Mazzig wrote about them on his Instagram, saying that officials treated them to dinner and excursions etc, so I hope that helped turned their experience around.

BeretInParis · 06/05/2025 22:35

Well done @Diamond82. Keep up the good work! 💪

MissConductUS · 08/05/2025 00:14

The numpties and useful idiots are at it again at Columbia:

Masked anti-Israel protesters storm Columbia library, shove past security as Ivy Leaguers prep for finals

It's being reported on Twitter/X that the campus police aren't letting anyone out without showing ID, and no one is showing ID. Local TV news reports that the NYPD is on the scene with one or more large buses that are typically used when they make mass arrests. The campus police will certainly need help dealing with something this large. Fortunately, NYC Mayor Adams (a former NYPD Captain) has no sympathy for the protestors and has made that very clear publicly.

I feel so sorry for the students who were simply in the library revising for final exams, especially the Jewish ones.

How firmly Columbia deals with these "students" will be very telling. They've certainly shown the Trump administration that the inmates still rule the asylum.

Masked anti-Israel protesters storm Columbia library, shove past security as Ivy Leaguers prep for finals

Dozens of masked anti-Israel protesters stormed Columbia University’s Butler Library as students prepared Wednesday to study for end-of-year exams.

https://nypost.com/2025/05/07/us-news/masked-anti-israel-protesters-storm-columbia-library-shove-past-security-as-ivy-leaguers-prep-for-finals/

EllaDisenchanted · 08/05/2025 05:37

MissConductUS · 08/05/2025 00:14

The numpties and useful idiots are at it again at Columbia:

Masked anti-Israel protesters storm Columbia library, shove past security as Ivy Leaguers prep for finals

It's being reported on Twitter/X that the campus police aren't letting anyone out without showing ID, and no one is showing ID. Local TV news reports that the NYPD is on the scene with one or more large buses that are typically used when they make mass arrests. The campus police will certainly need help dealing with something this large. Fortunately, NYC Mayor Adams (a former NYPD Captain) has no sympathy for the protestors and has made that very clear publicly.

I feel so sorry for the students who were simply in the library revising for final exams, especially the Jewish ones.

How firmly Columbia deals with these "students" will be very telling. They've certainly shown the Trump administration that the inmates still rule the asylum.

Madness!

quantumbutterfly · 08/05/2025 08:04

If kids can't join the dots between domestic disorder and the rise of authoritarian policies they are not be bright enough for university. Useful idiots who won't find out till too late what happens when a society turns on itself.

My gruntle is completely dissed by these shenanigans. ( That phrase should annoy AI😁)

MissConductUS · 08/05/2025 11:31

My gruntle is completely dissed by these shenanigans. ( That phrase should annoy AI😁)

Well played, quantum, 😁My flabber is gasted.

The article I linked above was updated overnight. Over 80 people were arrested by the NYPD, who showed up in force. They'll simply lock them up until they identify themselves, or do fingerprint identification. We should know within days how many were students on visas, how many were American citizens, and how many had no connection to the university. Anyone who was here on a visa can expect to have their visas canceled and be put on a plane home.

One such person who seems to fall into the last category has been charged with Federal hate crime violations for serial acts of violence against Jews. What a nasty bit of work he is, and only 20 years old.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-charges-ny-man-with-hate-crimes-over-columbia-protests-2025-05-08/

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