Mumsnet could do better (la quatrième partie): cheese wars and chickens

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Merailers assemble! The doors are open for part 4!

Shabbat Shalom

I’m going to please Gd try bring in Shabbat a bit early in Shiri’s honour, in about 20 mins. I light an extra candle every week for the hostages as well.

May Shabbat bring good news and peace 🎗️💛

Shabbat Shalom. That’s lovely. I must admit I haven’t done Shabbat in a while but today I will 🎗️🇮🇱

Yes, they have shown all the world who they are.

Anyone who choses to pretend they cannot see this, is choosing to side with evil.

I’m reading about ARIEL and KFIR and SHIRI and I’m thinking - what?? WHAT??

I’m beyond words, horror, everything, it’s too much
😭😭😭

I've been following David Draiman for a while, nice to see a heavy metal band leader also being a proud committed Jew. And yes his reply showed all necessary eloquence.

I just feel so sick I can't think of anything else but the Bibas family.

I'm so disgusted by what I'm reading from people both on here and everywhere. I'm just so angry. They will not believe anything unless it paints Israel in a bad light. Reports, forensics, video footage... it's always excuses and "both sides" and insistence that Israel are lying. It really says a lot when people will lap up anything Hamas says.

Every single week I feel sick seeing the psychological torture that goes on when handing over the innocent hostages and after the sickening parading and propaganda this time... yet people still say that Hamas have no reason to lie about anything.

I really want to believe people are ignorant about what Hamas are about but sadly it seems it is just that there are so many people who continue to hate Jews.

There are so many friends I don't think I can ever have a friendship with again. The rest are silent.

The irony is that I would see a therapist but the chance of them sharing my mostly left-leaning values while also not hating Israel feels unlikely at this point.

I just don't know what the world is even coming to. It's like living in an alternate universe where all of this happens and nobody cares.

Where is Shiri Bibas?

Why can't I go to the library without pro-Palestinian protesters shouting on the steps, but the image of her and her two babies isn't plastered everywhere? Why does nobody care?

Where are the masses of people who insist that every Saturday morning they're chanting for peace for innocents on "both sides"? Are they taking to the street tomorrow to march for them? No of course not.

You're spot on with every single thing you have written. I feel I'm in a topsy turvy world where passive, stupid and/or racist people are winning. And those who are right and truthful are in the minority.

My non Jewish friend has messaged me today to say how sorry she was for our community. It’s given me renewed hope where others have been so silent.
care. And I know there’s been quite a few solidarity posts on this thread too which means so much.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hamas-brought-2-hostages-who-remain-in-captivity-to-watch-todays-release-ceremony/

They're absolute monsters. I'm genuinely out of words at this point.

Absolutely speechless 😨

I don’t even know why I am shocked. They keep proving again and again that they are the lowest of the low.

Yet useful idiots all over keep openly supporting them.

@EllaDisenchanted sadly I agree with you. There is no end to their depravity. They clearly feel indestructible.
More Arab countries need to come out and say what they think of this.

A non Jewish friend asked me where they can educate themselves about the conflict and I actually realised I don’t know where to get non-biased information. I have got used to reading news articles and translating for myself on what’s actually gone on, I don’t know where to recommend! Does anyone have any suggestions?

Not MN, that's for sure...
I'm not Jewish, but I keep my eye on the JC and Israeli outlets to keep up.

For up to date basic education on the whole history (which I read a long time ago) I'm sure someone else will know better than me.

Haha I Definitely wouldn’t suggest Mumsnet. I’ll wait for someone from the other thread to suggest Al Jazeera.
I’ve got sources that I trust but I guess I wanted her to decide for herself. I’ll have a look at some of the JC articles.

I watched debates online - that way you can judge who has the better arguments. Kristin Konstantin did a series of interviews after October 7th and finally came down on the side of Israel - here is a link to the video he did on why he arrived at this position.

From here you should be able to find his other interviews and the you tube algorithim should start to suggest other debates on Israel and the conflict arising from October 7th.

I am not sure there are neutral resources, so listening to both sides is probably the best bet.

Though to be honest, when one side murdered civilians, including the humanitarian peace makers with Gaza, murdered babies, toddlers, children, women and men and openly filmed and gloried in this, brought war on their own people, refused to shelter their own civilians in the tunnels they built, and then openly paraded their deranged calculated cruelty on those stages and handovers, its pretty much a no brainer which side any decent person should be on. Its astonishing to me this is even a debate.

The more I look into this the more clear it is that Israel has outshone Hamas and Gaza in its conduct.

Douglas Murray debate against Medhi Hassan, a few months ago. (Munk debate)

the ask project on you tube is interesting.

I agree I don’t know that many people who would be considered unbiased/neutral.

elica Lebon has interesting content. She has definitely called out injustice on Israel side, I wouldn’t say she is ‘blindly’ pro Israel, so maybe she is a little more balanced ?

Yes, the Ask project is really good. Viewers send in questions and they are asked of Israeli and Palestinian citizens. Really opened my eyes to the differences in culture between the two groups and which side wishes to peacefully co-exist with the other (it was the Israelis).

There is also the Unholy podcast recommended on here by a leftie Israeli. So leans to the leftie Israeli perspective.

Mostly behind a paywall, but in my view of the UK press, The Times has probably done the best job at balanced reporting.

As others, I end up getting my news and views from a variety of UK and Israeli based sources to try to find a balanced view of what is going on.

Thank you everyone, some really good ideas here. And @Hereagaintoday I’m completely with you, it’s obvious to me that is the case. I’d just like her to come to that conclusion herself which I’m confident she will.

@MissConductUS thought of you today after seeing that ridiculous thread on AIBU. Hope you're doing well!

HI @BooBooButts. There are numerous ridiculous threads on AIBU. Which one are you referring to?

I had influenza A last week, but am doing much better now, mostly thanks to an Rx for Tamiflu.

Would urge people to read Adam Fisher's article on Haaretz. Will try and link it for Twitter (X) and non Twitter users.

' there is nothing more Jewish than feeling ashamed of another Jew's behaviour, and nothing more antisemitic than exploiting ashamed Jew's self- loathing for their own nefarious purposes'

English and Hebrew versions are very different.