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FET / IVF August 2023

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KG1244 · 13/07/2023 19:30

I’m due to start my second round of FET in August so thought I would set up this group for some treatment buddies ❤️

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GCS34 · 17/08/2023 11:47

kirstysmbc · 17/08/2023 08:21

@GCS34 No, they've both been medicated. Seems to be the standard at my clinic. I have fyremadel for 7 days from day 2, oestrogen patches from day 2 then progesterone for 5/6 days before transfer. Luckily my lining has always been ok, but they do sometimes extend the oestrogen if the lining isn't thick enough.

@kirstysmbc ahhh okay. I think TFP do generally do medicated, I think they like it controlled more. I don't even think the natural FET is on their price list!

Ah okay, so you have anti ovulation, then estrogen for how long? Are patches stronger than tablets? I think because I have such a thin endometrium, they'll double dose me up on everything! Are you aiming for a fresh then this round, or FET still?

@Hopingforno2in2023 LOL at all the typos in there. Where I said 'Fucks' I meant to write, focus! Clearly use the word too much for autocorrect to change it to fuck 😂I think it always will. I don't think even when we have our families all complete that we still won't feel a weird feeling when people are pregnant. It doesn't seem ideal as you say. Ready to take over what sorry? The child?

Sounds a bit of a spite thing perhaps, if she is that kind of person? Whether it is or isn't, it's not an ideal setting to bring a new human to the world (without digging out your friend!) And why isn't your child a 'proper grandchild' when their son (your husband!) is their child too! Such an odd statement.

@Doughnut89 I get that completely. And thank you for sharing ❤It does sound hopeful and you're getting way more positive lines so that has to be something! Have your clinic advised anything, aside from upping the progesterone? Did you ever find out why you had the MC? Or just shit bad luck (don't mean that dismissively!)
Thanks darling. I hope so too 😅So I have 5 x Embryo's on ice, and I shared yesterday what our clinic (TFP) use for grading which I'll tag you in, so it makes sense and doesn't bore or make this post any longer haha x

GCS34 · 17/08/2023 11:48

GCS34 · 16/08/2023 15:05

@kirstysmbc @KG1244 Of course. So they said at TFP that they use 'Simplified Embryo Grading System' which differs from the Gardner grading (4AB for example).

So they said that A-C on the 'SEGS' is classed as a top quality embryo. They do not freeze anything that is not a viable pregnancy. In the Gardner system, a C is classed as poor, and some clinics discard them, but a C on their system, is really a B in the Gardner. And a B is really an A based on the Gardner scale. They did just letters to keep it clear for the embryologists, and patients.

I asked what all mine were stage wise, and they said that anything they freeze is a blastocyst, they don't freeze none-blasts. Which was good to know, so any you girls have that are frozen, will be a blastocyst. So of mine 5, for context I'll tell you what they said, and what that is on the Gardner system, and hopefully explains it:

B - this is a Full blastocyst (so a '4' on the Gardner system) and is classed as an A on Gardner. It is just a little smaller than what an 'A' would be (likely late fertilisation - on the 12th hour vs. maybe the 1st hour for example - that's what she said) so maybe 4AB

C - Same a full blast, so a 4, and is more of a 'B' on Gardner. so 4BB in that instance

3 x other C's - These are expanded blasts, so 5, and same as the C above, so a B on Gardner, and just a bit behind the others, so is a 5BB on the Gardner.

Hope that helps.

@Doughnut89 x

Belle26 · 17/08/2023 12:00

Has anyone been testing daily to see line progression? I'm stressing my line isn't getting darker. I mean the lines really dark and hasn't gotten any lighter but it also hasn't gotten any darker for the past 4 days. Now its sending me into a tail spin 😩🙈

I probably should just wait for my beta tomorrow I just hate feeling out of control!

ttcsolomumtobe · 17/08/2023 12:05

@Ellenn glad the spotting is barely there now and you are on progesterone, think I've seen in other forums/ chats about that one being painful. All the little bruises round my belly button have only just gone from stims. And yes 🤞🏻 embryo is all snug and happily growing.

@Doughnut89 I'm on Utrogestan 200mg x 3 a day, mine come with applicators which is great so they aren't as messy as others. Not too long to wait for your bloods so hope you are feeling better. Yes my zen is working for now and only 3 more full days till test day so it doesn't seem so far off.

@GCS34 you are so right re certain worries not seeming in sight for you yet. It's strange isn't it how with fertility you live in blocks of time..some times desperately waiting for a period, others praying one doesn't arrive. I'm like you in that I need to know there's a plan in place and then it gives me some reassurance, endless waiting and unknown is so hard.

@Hopingforno2in2023 I'm so sorry to hear about your SIL situation, for her, for the baby but very much for you and your Husband. It feels like such a heartwencher when you are putting your everything into trying and other people just get pregnant with no real concept of what responsibility it will be and how hurtful their words are.
One of my best friends fell pregnant as my first IUI failed, she had said 3 days earlier than she wasn't ready for a baby yet and then called me asking what a pregnancy test meant and throughout the entire pregnancy she just seemed in denial and said some really horrible things, it's not easy so can't beginning to imagine it being an in-law and especially if she knows you are trying. Sending hugs

ttcsolomumtobe · 17/08/2023 12:07

@Belle26 not all tests continue to get darker or get a dye stealer. Waiting on your bloods is defo the best bet

GCS34 · 17/08/2023 12:08

GCS34 · 17/08/2023 11:47

@kirstysmbc ahhh okay. I think TFP do generally do medicated, I think they like it controlled more. I don't even think the natural FET is on their price list!

Ah okay, so you have anti ovulation, then estrogen for how long? Are patches stronger than tablets? I think because I have such a thin endometrium, they'll double dose me up on everything! Are you aiming for a fresh then this round, or FET still?

@Hopingforno2in2023 LOL at all the typos in there. Where I said 'Fucks' I meant to write, focus! Clearly use the word too much for autocorrect to change it to fuck 😂I think it always will. I don't think even when we have our families all complete that we still won't feel a weird feeling when people are pregnant. It doesn't seem ideal as you say. Ready to take over what sorry? The child?

Sounds a bit of a spite thing perhaps, if she is that kind of person? Whether it is or isn't, it's not an ideal setting to bring a new human to the world (without digging out your friend!) And why isn't your child a 'proper grandchild' when their son (your husband!) is their child too! Such an odd statement.

@Doughnut89 I get that completely. And thank you for sharing ❤It does sound hopeful and you're getting way more positive lines so that has to be something! Have your clinic advised anything, aside from upping the progesterone? Did you ever find out why you had the MC? Or just shit bad luck (don't mean that dismissively!)
Thanks darling. I hope so too 😅So I have 5 x Embryo's on ice, and I shared yesterday what our clinic (TFP) use for grading which I'll tag you in, so it makes sense and doesn't bore or make this post any longer haha x

@Hopingforno2in2023 sorry SIL not friend!!

GCS34 · 17/08/2023 12:15

ttcsolomumtobe · 17/08/2023 12:05

@Ellenn glad the spotting is barely there now and you are on progesterone, think I've seen in other forums/ chats about that one being painful. All the little bruises round my belly button have only just gone from stims. And yes 🤞🏻 embryo is all snug and happily growing.

@Doughnut89 I'm on Utrogestan 200mg x 3 a day, mine come with applicators which is great so they aren't as messy as others. Not too long to wait for your bloods so hope you are feeling better. Yes my zen is working for now and only 3 more full days till test day so it doesn't seem so far off.

@GCS34 you are so right re certain worries not seeming in sight for you yet. It's strange isn't it how with fertility you live in blocks of time..some times desperately waiting for a period, others praying one doesn't arrive. I'm like you in that I need to know there's a plan in place and then it gives me some reassurance, endless waiting and unknown is so hard.

@Hopingforno2in2023 I'm so sorry to hear about your SIL situation, for her, for the baby but very much for you and your Husband. It feels like such a heartwencher when you are putting your everything into trying and other people just get pregnant with no real concept of what responsibility it will be and how hurtful their words are.
One of my best friends fell pregnant as my first IUI failed, she had said 3 days earlier than she wasn't ready for a baby yet and then called me asking what a pregnancy test meant and throughout the entire pregnancy she just seemed in denial and said some really horrible things, it's not easy so can't beginning to imagine it being an in-law and especially if she knows you are trying. Sending hugs

Hey you @ttcsolomumtobe I was wanting to jump in on your chats but I didn't want to butt in haha!
It's just a mental 'fuck' (for want of a better phrase!) isn't it? The whole thing - bonkers really. And yes that is exactly it - Knowing that you have a date in the diary, and nothing can happen until then, makes it more manageable. After speaking with my clinic yesterday to understand where our embryo's were at, it sounds silly but a HUGE weight lifted. In my head, I was already planning if I could get a second FET done before the end of the for when the first fails. What sort of messed up mindset hey?
Anyway. How is being a Strong Independent Woman going? You should change your name to 'SIL Bitchessss' 😂Is OTD Monday?

ttcsolomumtobe · 17/08/2023 12:31

@GCS34 ha go ahead and jump it, it's good to hear other people's views and what I like about this forum. Yes it's defo a headfuck and knowing my period would be due normally in the coming days I do have much more awareness but just trying to be positive.

I'm glad having the embryo update gave you reassurance and you can plan in. I fully get what you mean re planning the second when the first hasn't happened yet, I feel like it's a coping mechanism and a way of feeling okay if it didn't work, even thought with you heart all you want is for it to work. Before even starts stim I had various hypothetical scenarios played out and although it can be hard to have to think of them, specially with the unpredictability of fertility I feel like knowing that those plans are there if I need them has allowed me to remain calmer, right now while I'm in this 2WW I just wanna focus all my energy and good thoughts on this transfer.

honestly it's going fine.. my zen is probably annoying to some 😂 a part of me always thought I would be a solo mum so don't feel too phased by it. Yes, maybe get a new username later down the line. When I first started doing fertility planning and considered signing up for things like this and maybe an insta to log my journey (didn't do that in the end) my friend suggested "bankruptbyspunk" as a username 😂 yea OTD is Monday

kirstysmbc · 17/08/2023 12:43

@ttcsolomumtobe Love that as a user name 😂🤣. I couldn't believe how much donor sperm cost when I started this journey. You did IUI first didn't you? You must have spent a fortune on it!!

Ellenn · 17/08/2023 13:06

@GCS34 yeh unfortunately that’s the wait for NHS treatment I think form going on list to actually starting treatment is more like 8 months. There are 3 NHS clinics in Scotland and I think there is another private clinic in Glasgow (unsure if any on Edinburgh) I paid for self-funding cycle at a NHS clinic which we started the process in January and started proper treatment in July last year. Then I got my official referral from NHS in November for initial screening but I had to transfer my remaining embryo before I could go ahead with that cycle.

I believe the wait time between transfers is due to lack of staff 😢 trying not to think of the length of time I would need to wait if this embryo doesn’t work out.

no more spotting so far …. And medichecks have received my sample so just waiting for the results eek feeling nervous.

ttcsolomumtobe · 17/08/2023 13:09

@kirstysmbc yea 3 IUIs, which is a vial each time and 1 vial for IVF. About £6k with transport and storage costs alone for sperm.
I think had someone explained IVF and although it costs more initially to me but the more accuracy/embryos and less sperm needed I defo wouldn't have done the IUIs.
Like my nurse at my current clinic said, IUIs are amazing when they work, but low success rate.
Also I found IUIs process more mentally taxing than IVF.

kirstysmbc · 17/08/2023 13:19

@ttcsolomumtobe That's frustrating that you didn't get the best info at the start. I was advised to go straight to IVF just because of my age. But also gave me the option of siblings, not that that worked out quite to plan. Hopefully this will be your time, not long to go now until you find out!!

Lowo21 · 17/08/2023 13:23

ttcsolomumtobe · 17/08/2023 12:31

@GCS34 ha go ahead and jump it, it's good to hear other people's views and what I like about this forum. Yes it's defo a headfuck and knowing my period would be due normally in the coming days I do have much more awareness but just trying to be positive.

I'm glad having the embryo update gave you reassurance and you can plan in. I fully get what you mean re planning the second when the first hasn't happened yet, I feel like it's a coping mechanism and a way of feeling okay if it didn't work, even thought with you heart all you want is for it to work. Before even starts stim I had various hypothetical scenarios played out and although it can be hard to have to think of them, specially with the unpredictability of fertility I feel like knowing that those plans are there if I need them has allowed me to remain calmer, right now while I'm in this 2WW I just wanna focus all my energy and good thoughts on this transfer.

honestly it's going fine.. my zen is probably annoying to some 😂 a part of me always thought I would be a solo mum so don't feel too phased by it. Yes, maybe get a new username later down the line. When I first started doing fertility planning and considered signing up for things like this and maybe an insta to log my journey (didn't do that in the end) my friend suggested "bankruptbyspunk" as a username 😂 yea OTD is Monday

Just catching up on the last 48 hours of comments .... sooo many!!

This comment literally made my day "bankruptbyspunk" !!!!! Thank you!!!

ttcsolomumtobe · 17/08/2023 13:27

@kirstysmbc I think because I originally started this in 2019 I was referred to an NHS hospital via GP, as all my tests came back and reason for infertility is listed as no male partner they always try 6 IUIs, 3 medicated, 3 unmedicated as their set protocol. Unfortunately delays with COVID as I was too young to be prioritised at that time and various other things, that when I finally got back in contact with them early last year I just wanted to get on with it and didn't think to look at other options or even other clinics, so my own doing too. Wasn't happy with the clinic which is why I looked at other options after the 3 fails.

As hard as the IUIs were and the recovery time after as it made me so unwell I do think it's improved my approach and feeling about it all, outlook on some parts of life and hopefully in someways a better future parent for having the heartache.

ttcsolomumtobe · 17/08/2023 13:29

@Lowo21 it's a very tempting username 😂

Lowo21 · 17/08/2023 13:35

@GCS34 thanks for TFP grading deets... super helpful, they hadn't provided for me but to be fair I haven't asked.

Re the protocol we agreed with the consultant early on the short protcol FET I can only think that that is why we have been able to book things in earlier, I am just waiting on the medication invoice which I have been told should arrive by Monday. I am fairly confident you will be on the same timeline, I don't know if you have had the same but delivery of meds has been super quick and efficient and that's the only thing you might be waiting for ?

KG1244 · 17/08/2023 13:37

bankruptbyspunk is amazing 😂

had my second scan today which was all good so due to start lubion and pessaries today and hopefully we have my transfer next week!

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Lowo21 · 17/08/2023 13:38

KG1244 · 17/08/2023 13:37

bankruptbyspunk is amazing 😂

had my second scan today which was all good so due to start lubion and pessaries today and hopefully we have my transfer next week!

🥰 happy days !!!! Congratulations

kirstysmbc · 17/08/2023 13:39

@ttcsolomumtobe That's such a positive mindset to have. I'm sure you'll make an awesome mum 😊

Lowo21 · 17/08/2023 13:41

Ellenn · 17/08/2023 13:06

@GCS34 yeh unfortunately that’s the wait for NHS treatment I think form going on list to actually starting treatment is more like 8 months. There are 3 NHS clinics in Scotland and I think there is another private clinic in Glasgow (unsure if any on Edinburgh) I paid for self-funding cycle at a NHS clinic which we started the process in January and started proper treatment in July last year. Then I got my official referral from NHS in November for initial screening but I had to transfer my remaining embryo before I could go ahead with that cycle.

I believe the wait time between transfers is due to lack of staff 😢 trying not to think of the length of time I would need to wait if this embryo doesn’t work out.

no more spotting so far …. And medichecks have received my sample so just waiting for the results eek feeling nervous.

Fingers crossed for you, where do you get your medichecks from? - totally new to this !

Pinklady81 · 17/08/2023 14:26

Hello ladies

I love the positive vibes but I think I'm definitely out the race! Just done a FRER and it's negative OTD tomorrow I have to drive over 70 miles to get my bloods done as that's where my clinic is I don't really feel I want to as I already know the answer should I go or just not and stop the progesterone

ttcsolomumtobe · 17/08/2023 15:21

@Pinklady81 I'm sorry it hear the FRER was showing negative. Remind me again how many days past and how many day transfer did you have?

I think it would be worth a call to your clinic before stopping the progrestone, my clinic don't even do bloods as standard just the home urine test. If you really don't want to do the travel I would personally say give it a couple more days on the progesterone and test again and if it's a clear negative again then yes maybe stop them.

I personally would want the bloods for absolute reassurance (yet my clinic is 12miles away) but I also get that looking at a stark white test almost feels like it says it all so it's a waste of time going to the clinic and an upsetting thing.

Only you can make the choice really.

Pinklady81 · 17/08/2023 15:23

@ttcsolomumtobe hello I'm say as you transfer was 7th august a 3 day transfer ! I've had 3 egg collections done and this my first transfer not had much success at all in total 5 cycles but 2 cancelled and only one on the freezer a 4CC so think that's just a no brainer ! I'm 42 now and I've just had enough of it all if I'm honest I cried myself to sleep last night and just want to forget all this! X

kirstysmbc · 17/08/2023 15:30

@Pinklady81 I think I would do what @ttcsolomumtobe has suggested. My clinic don't do bloods either, and that's a long way to travel if it is negative. My clinic ask you to retest two days after OTD if it's negative, so maybe call them up and see what they suggest. I'm really sorry this cycle has ended up this way for you. Sending hugs

Steph186 · 17/08/2023 15:33

@GCS34 I have to do medicated with a bleed induced due to my periods being so irregular. Last time I had my planning call, then a blood test about 10 days later (I can’t remember why there was a delay, not sure if it was my availability or theirs!)

Started norethisterone the day after blood test, took that for 9 days then bled 3 days after I stopped.

Started fyremadel and estradiol that day, then eventually was on lubion and cyclogest.

All in I was 21 days from bleed to transfer, so not too long! (Although I know it feels it at the time), so about 33 days total with norethisterone included if you need to do that.

We had our planning call earlier today, just waiting on the nursing team sorting out meds and get the blood test booked. I’d expect that will be after we come back from hol, so sometime the week after next 🤞