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When can investigations resume? (Scotland.)

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theotherfossilsister · 07/05/2020 13:53

Just that really, I know it's a difficult time for so many people, but clinics shuttered just as DP finally agreed to get his semen analyisis done. My progesterone was normal, and I have regular periods, so I don't think Clomid would be an option for us. We've been trying for a year and a half, and I am 35 on Saturday.

If we do get a referral, and need IVF, how long will that take? So many questions?

Thanks

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RonRon1 · 26/05/2020 17:46

Hi @BambiOnIce80 thank you for thinking of me. I am glad to hear things are progressing for some of you :)

I called the clinic yesterday and they said the lab is not even open so my husband (very low sperm count) can't even go in to get some frozen. They are doing NO fresh cycles for the foreseeable future so feeling a bit disappointment and just worried that perhaps my husband won't have any sperm left as every time he goes the numbers go down. As soon as i hear i will let you all know!

So excited for you all x

BambiOnIce80 · 26/05/2020 18:04

Oh dammit @RonRon1, I'm so sorry to hear that they're holding off of fresh cycles at the moment! 😟 When we had our phone consultation with the doc a few weeks ago she did say that she thought that they might crack through the FET's to start with because they don't need an anaesthetist, etc, but I didn't realise that it'd be to the exclusion of fresh cycles 😔 Keeping everything crossed for you that it won't be long until they start up again 🤞🍀🤞🍀

Can I please ask how they were with you on the phone? Were they OK or were they a bit peeved about being called? I'm desperate to get in touch to see if we will be going ahead in July or not, but I'm worried they'll be huffy about it! 😣 I know - I'm a total over-thinker/wimp! 🤦‍♀️

RonRon1 · 26/05/2020 18:15

@Bambionice80 I was a little bold and just asked if I could speak to my nurse who was really supportive when we had our previous failed cycle and they were lovely even the receptionist said don't feel bad for calling. I am sure they understand we are all emotional wrecks!!

I just had to phone as I really wanted my husband to go asap to freeze sperm as my main worry is we won't have enough sperm next time. On my last cycle we had 16 eggs and on the day of egg collection there were only 2 usable sperm and we had to use 6 of our 8 straws of frozen and since then we have only manged to get two more straws so we have 4 straws for the next round. Out of the 16 we got 6 embryos but only one made it to a blastasyst.

It's funny as I already felt like a mum when I heard there were wee embryos! :) What a roller coaster we are on. Do you ever just think why me! It seems so unfair.

I know we will all get there! Sorry for me wee moan!

BambiOnIce80 · 26/05/2020 18:24

It is completely unfair @RonRon1, so please moan away! Never apologise! That's an excellent egg count you had there, so that's a really good sign for next time 🍀 Did they say that they'd get in touch with you ASAP when the lab's back open for your DH? Sounds like another horrid layer of stress on an already stressful situation 😔

RonRon1 · 26/05/2020 19:25

No she didn't say when I hear but I hope to have a 'rough' idea by end of next week. If not i will call back!

Yes it was high, i was at risk of OHSS...it was a weird feeling but defo something in our favour for round two! :)

So do you have your date @Bambi?

BambiOnIce80 · 26/05/2020 20:54

No, not yet @RonRon1 and I'm already starting to drive myself nuts! 😣 We'd agreed to July, so I guess we might hear in a few weeks time but the wait to hear something (even if it's to say it won't be July!) is torture 😕 I've got a session with the clinic counsellor on Monday, so I'll run all my anxiety past her and see what she has to say... I really hope she says it's OK to give them a call to put me out of my misery 🤞

RonRon1 · 26/05/2020 21:22

Aww yes the waiting is hard! It's great u havre a Councillor I hope she gives u some assurance! I hope u hear soon! I will keep u posted if I hear! Smile

Daisz · 26/05/2020 22:28

No probs @BambiOnIce80. I know what you mean about over thinking situations. The afternoon after my embryo transfer that resulted in my chemical pregnancy dp and I had a major falling out, which resulted in a screaming hysterical argument. I often think of that day and wish that I had been calmer and I think that was probably the reason my embryo never stuck around, so we do all live with regrets I suppose.

@BeHereNowx32 had some spotting from this morning, I was all ready to call in with my af but it has not progressed beyond that, so will need to hang off for now. Any sign yet with you?

BeHereNowx32 · 27/05/2020 08:01

@BambiOnIce80 oh please don’t feel that way. 😔 it wasn’t your fault. Sadly, it’s nature that miscarriages happen. Although I know it must be stressful. July isn’t far away! The waiting is tough though.

@RonRon1 that’s frustrating. Good that you have the counsellor in between though. Could they try to retrieve sperm through an op? My DH needed an op to get sperm, as there wasn’t any in his samples.

@Diasz that sounds like your period is on its way! 🤞 do you usually get spotting before period starts? I’m only just showing signs that I’m about to ovulate, so I’m pretty sure that I will need the tablet.. x

Daisz · 27/05/2020 08:57

@BeHereNowx32 well that is disappointing, just called in this morning with af and was told their paper work has not been finalised and to call back on Friday. If not finalised by Friday then it will have to be a day 21 protocol. Don't worry about your period not arriving yet, as it appears they are not as prepared as thought. (Assuming you are with NHS Lothian as well).

BeHereNowx32 · 27/05/2020 10:38

@Diasz no way?! That’s really disappointing. 😔 thank you for letting me know though. I can stop looking for my period to start then. I hope you hear soon x

theotherfossilsister · 27/05/2020 10:44

Oh @Bambionice I just read your post. I know you know this, and it sounds a bit platitudinous, but even if it wasn’t a chromosomal abnormality, then it is still not your ‘fault.’ The language used around this process is so horrible. Did you see Elizabeth Day speak about this, or read her in How To Fail? She kept being told she was ‘failing’ to respond to drugs, ‘failing’ to maintain a pregnancy and she got really ill and depressed until one day someone said ‘what if the drugs are failing you?’

There is a pinned link on top of her Twitter where she talks about this. She also writes about people who say ‘as a mother,’ ‘as a parent.’ She explains why the childless experience (if sadly that is what happens) is equally rich, and valid, if painful as hell – ‘as someone who has been through this hell….’

Saying all that, it may well work for you next time, and if it does that is bloody wonderful and you will have a fantastic baby. If it doesn’t it means the treatment has failed, not you. I hope the counsellor goes well and you get your answer from the clinic soon.

Weirdly, when I had counselling about infertility and other issues, my counsellor told me to stay away from Mumsnet, but this thread has been helpful. I think the TTC forum messes with my head a lot more than the infertility one. So many buses, and 14 day countdowns. I got on the June Bus this month, then felt like a haggard idiot surrounded by all these optimistic first timers who will probably get their positives right away, so I quietly slipped off. Still not checked back, though I am ‘following’ it. I feel bad as I was @'d a few times, probably with lovely welcomes from folk. They just seem like such sweet summer children.

@Daisz – Oh God, so much self blame. I might do the same, but can you not think that it wasn’t your fault, that although it’s good to be calm, can you not think that an embryo should be able to stand up to one screaming row? So hard to reframe it, I know. Horrible horrible how much people blame themselves, when some women just conceive and sail blithely through pregnancy drinking as much caffeine as they like and women like you and I are forced to police our every move. It’s like we’re walking on eggshells round a super sensitive little embryo, coaxing it to stay all the time.

I do however love the idea of a small glass of red wine as a relaxant for the womb. I’m in my 2ww trying the normal way, however this is the eighteenth so am not holding out much hope, but drinking 175ml red a night this week anyway.

What does 21 day protocol mean?

@RonRon1 ah dammnit, that’s rubbish. For the forseeable might only mean a month right (though that must feel like forever in IVF years.) Glad they were lovely on the phone though. That makes all the difference. We have one receptionist at my GP who is super lovely, all ‘hold on a minute love,’ and another who seems to think that anything infertility related is a waste of time (she hasn’t said that but I feel I can hear it in her voice.) It’s so lovely to get the nice one.

As Bambi says, it’s hugely unfair and you are entitled to be as angry as you like at the situation.

@Bambionice I’m doing OK, but didn’t call for sperm analysis, because it feels weirdly unlucky to do it in two week wait, which we are in now. I always want DP to get it as soon as I know I’m not pregnant, and then we ‘try’ lots in the run up to ovulation and I think ‘maybe this month, maybe….’

I know it’s mad, and by holding out hope I am in for a disappointment on June sixth (period day) but I can’t help it. If period arrives, as expected, then I will call first thing on Monday 8th, and hope against hope I get the lovely receptionist rather than the ‘I’ll have to see if the GP is free to discuss non essential things at the moment,’ woman.

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theotherfossilsister · 27/05/2020 10:45

Wow, that was long.

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Daisz · 27/05/2020 15:54

@theotherfossilsister good luck with your 2ww. 21 day protocol is when you have the trigger injection on the 21st day of your cycle instead of within the first 3 days of af coming. Since my af came last night, and I have been told to call back Friday it looks like unless they call me in on Friday I will have another 3 week wait before treatment starts.

Your right about over analysing, people become pregnant in all sorts of stressful situations, that really nothing should make any difference in terms of what you do in reality. It is all so confusing, even having had a successful fet, I still feel I can't relate to natural pregnancy journey's because that has and never will be my experience.

LouScot · 27/05/2020 20:41

Hi all, hope things are as alright as possible for everyone this evening.

@theotherfossilsister thank you so much for that post. I've been in a "what if I fail to get pregnant, what if I fail to respond to the drugs, what if I fail to get enough eggs" and it's a light bulb moment not to think of it as me failing personally (although I know I'll still have to fight feeling that way)

Not wanting to go off at a tangent, but what is this whole "bus" thing on the ttc pages? Like why do they call it a bus?? I feel I can ask you lovely ladies as you'll not laugh at my stupidity Grin

Wishing everyone lots of sunny days to come this summer x

RonRon1 · 28/05/2020 09:52

@LouScot I have no idea about this bus thing ?!?! :) I want to know tho!

Just in case anyone has not seen the Edinburgh Clinic gave an update yesterday. services.nhslothian.scot/edinburghassistedconceptionprogramme/Pages/COVID-19.aspx

I called (again - sorry had to) so they can't say when they will do fresh cycles as they don;t know. I think the NHS are waiting to check there is no second wave of Covid. I am going to explore private options now as I can't wait much longer. Hopefully by the time I have more info on private the NHS will be able to give a more specific time frame. Then we can make a decision!

I hope you lovely ladies have a great day and enjoy the sunshine.

x

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BambiOnIce80 · 28/05/2020 13:27

Oh, the TTC boards are not the greatest place to be for mental health after about the first year I found @theotherfossilsister, so I do get what your counsellor means. The infertility board is a totally different kettle of fish though - we just all 'get it' and the support is amazing ❤️ From the link that RonRon posted it looks like the clinic aren't open for SA samples yet, so you've got plenty of time to make that phone call (I'm hoping this month is your month though and you won't need to make the phone call at all 🤞).

That's really frustrating that they're still not quite ready @Daisz 😕 I'm keeping everything crossed for you for tomorrow and that you won't have to wait another 3 weeks 🤞

Thanks so much for the link/update @RonRon1 ❤️ I'd absolutely be calling if I was you too! From what the update says it sounds like there's no point in me calling yet if they're doing the cancelled FET's first and then the cancelled fresh cycles after that - doesn't sound like they're going to have time anytime soon for the FET's that were supposed to happen in July 😔 Looks like we're in for a long haul 🙄

No idea why they call it a bus @LouScot 🚌🤷🏻‍♀️😄 When I was on that board I joined a '35+ TTC #1' kind of affair, which wasn't crushing like the buses (in my experience, at least!). How's getting your tests done going?

Thank you all for your kind words about not blaming myself ❤️ My scientific brain knows that you're right, but that same brain is also used to trying to troubleshoot/interpret what went wrong - and I'm just not going to get an answer for that 😣 With FET looking like a long way off, I'm going to try and give my brain a holiday from that train of thought... no point worrying about it when it's not likely to happen for ages. That said I didn't have the best evening yesterday - a friend let me know that she's pregnant and I'm absolutely delighted for her (she's been trying a long time and it's amazing that she's finally fallen naturally ❤️), but then she said she's due in October and my stomach just felt like I was in an elevator that was in free fall 😓 My brain went straight to 'so every time you see her, you'll be thinking "so that's how big I should have been by now"'... thank god we're still in lockdown, because I need as long as possible to get over myself!! 🤦‍♀️I really don't want to be feeling this way, but it's like I have no control over it 🤷🏻‍♀️ I'm hoping in a few days those kinds of oppressive thoughts will start to fade 🤞

LouScot · 28/05/2020 13:41

Oh @bambionice80 sending you lots of virtual hugs. You don't have any control over the way you feel, and it sounds tough for you. Stomach in free fall sounds a very apt way of describing it. You can feel happy for her and at the same time feel shit it's not you. Hopefully being in lockdown will allow you to process it so that it's slightly less painful by the time you see her in real life x

RonRon1 · 28/05/2020 14:25

@BambiOnIce80 Thinking of you my dear. Your feelings are normal. It is not fair and not easy what you are going through. Even if you are happy it will always hurt as its another reminder of what you want. I think you should treat yourself to something nice that you really want...then have a nice glass of wine in the sun!

mabel9 · 28/05/2020 16:06

Hello, hope you are all enjoying this sunny day. ☀️ Is anyone in this thread having their treatment at GCRM?

BambiOnIce80 · 28/05/2020 16:56

Thanks @LouScot and @RonRon1 ❤️ I think I would have been alright if she had said she was due any month except this October, but my brain just went to 'that's when you were due' and it's gone down hill from there 🙄 I'll be alright... and I'll have plenty to talk about now at my counselling session on Monday! 😂 Going to go for a run now and then reward myself with a gin and tonic 🏃‍♂️🍸

I'm having treatment at NHS Lothian @mabel9, but I'm sure we've got a few GCRM's on here too who will be along 🙂

lillibeth86 · 28/05/2020 17:23

@mabel9 I am :)

How is everyone?
My cycle just began and I let the clinic know.

mabel9 · 28/05/2020 17:57

Hi! Good luck with your treatment. Have you been given a date as to when you’ll start? I’ve been told they’ll contact me in the next 3 months.

LouScot · 28/05/2020 18:40

@mabel9 I am too, was told probably August on, but that's as a new patient.

@bambionice80 wow, I've just been for a walk and that was enough, never mind a run. Hope you enjoy your gin later.

Hope everyone gets out for some sunshine, we need that vitamin D ladies!! I think it's fair to say that without supplements we're all deficient due to living here, and a top up from sun is always good even if you're taking the supplements x