Asymptomatic endometriosis?

[EricaJ]

Hi ladies,

I was wondering if any of you have any experience on asymptomatic endo?

Long story short: been ttc for 2.5 years, had an mc at the very beginning (only took 2 months to get pg), then another mc 11 months later and nothing since. Got the tests done and everything came back normal, apart from my slightly short luteal phase, which is being treated with progesterone.

Been on clomid with hcg shot for 3 months and had two failed IUI cycles.

My gyno has suggested laparoscopy to discard (or confirm,and if possible treat) endometriosis. I don't have any of the usual symptoms but apparently 20% to 30% of the cases are asymptomatic.

The laparoscopy is on Tuesday so I'm trying to prepare myself for different outcomes.

If anyone has been through similar and would tell me about their experience, that would be amazing.

Thank you!!

Thank you Erica for the voice of reason.
I'm glad your blood tests are looking good. As for your scan, will you be able to see much on Sunday? How far along will you be? I'm guessing we must be about the same...so coming up for 6 weeks? I believe the fetal heart beat can be detected by 6 weeks but my midwife advised waiting until 7 weeks for an early scan.

You so don't sound spoilt (lol)! I would actually love some blood tests! I guess I'll need to ring the midwife again to ask how I go about getting them...or the private hospital, where I'm planning to book an early scan either next week or the week after. They should be able to take blood there, if I want. It would be good to know if my Hcg is going up as it should. or another reason to menkul?

Seems my boob ache has returned . They seem much less sore/tender in the mornings but it seems to build up throughout the day. I wouldn't mind a bit of nausea tbh but I'll take the sore boobs. I did get a bit of constipation for a couple of days but it's sort of gone the opposite now [hmm}

I have a feeling this is going to be a very long and worrisome few weeks...

I feel for you both, I remember exactly how that felt - it just didn't feel real at all. I felt like a fraud until about twenty weeks

I had an early scan because mine is an IVF baby - it was at 7+1 and the only thing on the screen was a tiny flickering blob. A photograph would have been pointless, as it was only the movement that made it recognisable as a heartbeat. I think 6-7 weeks is the very earliest you can expect to see anything, and even then it might be difficult. Mine measured a bit on the small side (not surprising, given my embryos were all very slow-growing), so if we'd gone earlier we might not have seen anything.

I didn't get any symptoms at all until about 8 weeks, when I suddenly had painful enormo-boobs. So don't panic if you don't get much, or symptoms come and go.

I'm so pleased for you both :)

Oh evilgiraffe thanks so much!

It is really reassuring to hear your experience. I guess we are in the minority that gets antsy about feeling fine, instead of trying to find remedies for nausea, gas etc.

I will cross my fingers and stay as positive as possible!

giraffe that's so nice to hear. I was going to say 'you've no idea how reassuring that is to hear' but you clearly do have an idea! Your experience is just what we need to hear I think! Thank you.

I hope your pregnancy is progressing well. How far along are you now?

I will be able to remain positive as long as there's no bleeding. It really is one day at a time right now.

But erica is right- it's so very important to stay as positive as possible. I have just been to a nice relaxing yoga and meditation class, which has helped a little with the menkul.

Teehee, I feel like a thread mascot - glad to help!

I'm 34 weeks now, fankle, so struggling to get off the sofa on my own but otherwise fine. Baby is currently jamming her feet under my ribs and pushing hard, which is not at all comfortable, but at the same time reassuring to know she's alright in there :) Midwife tomorrow so hopefully everything will be fine from her point of view too.

Yes, you can be our mascot for the asymptomatic endo/miraculous post-laparoscopy diffment club! (Although feel I should give clomid some credit too).

Hope the midwife appointment went well today. So you know you are having a girl? How lovely! Yay for the rib kicking

...bring on the days when I am struggling to get off the sofa!

I think IVF can take a lot of credit for me too! Though I'm certain it would have had no chance without the laparoscopy.

Yep appointment all fine - bump measuring a bit big, but nothing to worry about :) Next appt is a tour round the birth centre, which feels a bit scary - due date is starting to loom on the horizon

Evil You and your baby will be our laparoscopy poster girls!

Oh my, 34 weeks! You'll have a lovely summer baybee!

Fankle I will be 6 weeks on Sunday and I am due on the 13th of January. Six weeks sounds quite early to me but it seems quite standard for early scans in this part of the world, we'll see.

Every time you think you are going a bit insane, think of me in the office, discreetly fondling my own breasts to asses levels of soreness...

Have a good day ladies!

GAAAAGGGHHH ... some spotting again. Very little and dark, dark brown but my gyno asked me to come in today for a progesterone shot and another one on Friday.

Don't know what to make of it. A part of me thinks it's over and I may as well get used to the idea. On the other hand, my boobs are still swollen and sore and I have no cramps and my HCG was 941 two days ago, which is pretty good.

The ultrasound on Sunday can't come quick enough. I want to know. This is no way to live.

Hope you guys are having a more chilled out Wednesday than I am!

Dark brown is good, as is there being very little. Lots and lots of women have spotting in early pregnancy, so try not to panic (hard I know). Progesterone is a good caution, given that you have the option, though I suspect if you were in the UK you'd probably not be offered it. Brown blood is old stuff, so probably just leakage as your uterus is shifting about a bit. It's scary all the same, though

Thanks Evil, I really need the voice of reason and hugs right now!

There should be a rule that women that struggle so much to get pregnant should have non-spotting or bleeding pregnancies, full of reassuring symptoms 24/7. This is not good for the ol' mental health...

How are you now Erica?

As Giraffe said, brown is ok and quite normal. I reckon you'll be fine! Especially with the progesterone shot (you'd never be offered that here)!

I feel your pain though and would no doubt be worrying my knickers off too. Let us know how you get on...hope it has stopped and you're feeling a bit calmer. Are you going to have another blood test to check your hcg and compare it? I've not been offered such blood tests...not sure it's standard protocol on the NHS.

I've had a busy day so not on MN until now. My boobs have gone right down again which caused me to worry this morning...and wishing for more symptoms whilst in the shower. Well, bugger me, I only started to get a major nausea wave minutes later- the kind where your vision and hearing go funny and you need to hug the toilet bowl. I was dripping wet from the shower but I wasn't sick, thank goodness. This is the first ever pregnancy nausea I've had and I was so happy about it (afterwards). The entire episode must have lasted less than 15 mins and I've felt ok since.

Still poking boobs! They aren't as sore or swollen.

Thanks ladies for the positive vibes... much needed and appreciated!

The spotting has stopped. It was just a few drops, not enough to fill a panty liner. It started really dark brown and in the end it was black. I am not kidding. Black. I am hoping this means it was ancient blood and it's not affecting the pregnancy. Woke up with really sore boobs. We'll see. I was not offered more blood tests. I have considered POASing every day and comparing the lines but I know that there it lies the path to madness...

Giraffe I am DELIGHTED that you are nauseous!! I'm sure it's fairly unpleasant but such a reassuring, clear, this-is-not-my-imagination symptom. And there studies saying that the more nausea, the less likely you are to miscarry.

Our poor boobs! What have they done to deserve this? :)

Sorry. Fankle I am delighted YOU are nauseous! Not wishing nausea upon you Giraffe

My poor brain...

Thanks Erica. But my symptoms have gone again. I've felt totally fine all day.

It's fucked up to want to feel like shit....such is the insanity of early pregnancy.

According to the due date calculator my edd will be 9 January. I'm meant to be 6+3 going off my last period....but I didn't ov until much later that cycle so think I'm a few days behind.

Glad you're feeling a bit better and the spotting has stopped. We will get through this tedious yet nerve wracking wait...

Hey Fankle,

How are you feeling today? I am terrified about the ultrasound tomorrow. I just don't know how I'll cope if it's another mc. I try telling myself that whatever happens, we'll cope, we'll get over it, we'll be ok. I am just fed up with coping and being strong. I miss my first pregnancy where I just assumed everything would be fine. The mc was horrible but I thought 'well, I'll get pregnant soon again and in a year's time it will all be forgotten'. Little I knew. Ah, to be young and innocent again.

Hope you are feeling well and enjoying the UK sun! (if that's where you are!)

Yes, thanks Erica - am in the uk and the sun is shining! Planning to have some friends over for lunch in the garden...

Have been feeling absolutely, infuriatingly normal for the last 3 days- my boobs have shrunk back down and don't hurt at all. It's most disconcerting. Do you have any other symptoms yet?

Wishing you all the best for your scan tomorrow. I am going to try to book one for next week or the week after (8 weeks is when I started to spot in my last pregnancy so I just want to get past that point). Just keep thinking that every pregnancy is different and there is absolutely no reason why this one will be the same as the last. Will be thinking of you tomorrow...let me know how you get on.
X

Hello!

Hope everyone had a lovely Saturday in the sun.

My ultrasound went ok this morning. Too early to see a hearbeart (the doctor assured me it is completely normal) but everything looker ok in terms of development and shape (never realised shape was important?)

I am 6 weeks today so going next Saturday again.

I still feel on tenterhooks, my husband is really surprised I am not jumping with joy... I still don't feel home and dry, I am not but maybe I have to learn to live with it and chill a bit!

How are you Fankle?

Looked instead of looker and there should have been a comma after 'I don't feel home and dry, I am not, etc'

Bloody phone!

That's really good news Erica. I think you can take heart from the scan. It's always a bit iffy having a scan this early when the heart may not have yet begun to beat or beat enough as to be detected. My midwife (who I still haven't met) said 7 weeks is better as the heartbeat should definitely be detected by then.

My DH keeps advising me to enjoy this and think happy thoughts. I'm trying! The best thing is to keep busy...I'm kind of glad I was away with work last week on a course and had friends over for the weekend as it meant I've not had a chance to worry or obsess too much. But next week may be a different story.

I think I'm only a few days ahead of you (6+3) as I ovulated quite late in my last cycle. Although going by date of last period I am 6+6. So I will try to get the scan booked for this week or next.

Still no more boob tenderness and I'm sure they've deflated. But I'm feeling hungry and sort of shaky...as opposed to sicky.

Happy thoughts....ok? Everything will be fine

Sounds positive, Erica :) Roll on next week for both of you!

Thanks for the positive vibes, ladies, it really means a lot!

I am not sure when I ovulated because the OPKs I took came back negative last month...funny, uh?

My husband is also on the 'enjoy the moment, be positive' camp. I think I need to find a balance between accepting the natural anxiety of these first few weeks and trying to relax at the same time I keep thinking once we reach the next milestone, I will allow myself to chill out a bit but it's not quite like that, is it? I won't probably chill till my child is 35, at this rate.

Fankle Hungry & shaky sounds good! I feel a bit nauseous but it could be the nerves!

Evil How are you?? How was your week end?

Lovely, thank you - BBQ with friends yesterday and DH arrived back home from the US today so feeling very cheerful :)

Nice Evil - my husband also came back this week end from a long trip abroad ... so nice to have him back!

Next ultra sound is on Friday afternoon - that would make me 6 weeks and 5 days. Do you guys think it's too early, should we try and reschedule for a few days later?

Morning ladies
Sympathising with the 'travelling husband' lifestyle as I have one of those too. Makes it a bit harder to schedule ttc and now appointments/scans etc. But it's always nice when they come home and it does make the heart grow fonder IMO.

I think 6+5 will be fine Erica. They should be able to identify a heartbeat by then I think. I just booked a scan for Wednesday evening and I will be 6+6. Last time I was pregnant I started spotting around 8 weeks, got all clear at scan and spotting stopped for a week. But it started again at around 9 weeks and I miscarried around 10. So given all this I will try to go for another scan around 9/10 weeks (if I make it to then).

Just trying not to think too much about it today - but clearly failing.