Ivf anyone starting stimms next week?

[naty1]

Im starting stimns next week for icsi(dependent on blood test)?
Anyone at the same time want to join.

[Shellster52]

You have an amazing attitude suzylee. Will wait to hear from you on the other side of EC!

[suzylee73]

Well that's EC done was quite a good experience, I remember nothing at all in fact I'm sure I slept through it!
They got 12 eggs which sounds great but I have to wait till tomorrow to find out if any are mature. From what I've seen on here only some will be mature then only some will fertilise so soon that 12 will become a lot less? Still 12 eggs isn't bad for an old bird

[Shellster52]

It's good you've been following stories on here suzy so that you can know to expect as you say, perhaps not all are mature, then some don't fertilise and then even those that do, some don't grow on to be great embryos. But as you say, at least 12 is a great number to start with so you can afford to lose a couple along the way. I am a poor responder. The most mature eggs I ever got was 4, so it never leaves much room to spare. Will be checking here tomorrow for your update...

[suzylee73]

Out of my 12 eggs 8 are at cell 1 stage, whatever that means
Got to wait for a phone call on Saturday morning now

[Shellster52]

Okay, so whatever stage 1 means, I guess these 8 are the ones that are viable to do IVF on? Are you having ICSI? Can I ask, did you ever get your AMH tested? Just curious because 12 eggs seems like you have done very well at your age. I am 36 with a very low AMH for my age and the most I ever got was 6 eggs total with 4 being mature. Okay, so this is where there is nothing more that you can do and the waiting begins! I am going away for three days to a town where I will have no reception, so forgive me if I suddenly seem to be ignoring you! Will be keen to see how you are doing when I return.

Haven't heard from Nat anymore. I guess things didn't go well after her spotting and she has since moved on .

[suzylee73]

I'm so sad about Naty I would understand if she didn't come back to this thread, it must be hard.
My amh level was 7.42 unless I have that confused with a different hormone? It means nothing to me tbh
I hope you have a nice trip will miss your input though

[Shellster52]

I can understand Natys disappearance too... we might do the same thing soon!

Basically the little baby follicles at the start of each cycle produce AMH. So the higher your AMH, the more baby follicles you have. So your eggs are being fertilised as we speak!

I am told I won't have any reception at my holiday desitination (in the bush) but will definitely still try and hope I get some because I will be curious to see what they say on Saturday. After having been through the emotions of IVF myself, I know the feelings and it feels like I am reliving it with you!

[naty1]

Nope not disappeared just waiting and see.
The bleeding gradually got a bit heavier. Until today start of second day off progesterone when it became really heavy.
I tested thurs (a day early and negative) so im going to go with that. Will probably test in next couple of days just to make sure theres no ectopic.

Im not sure if it caused an issue but i had awful upset stomach since EC. Which i now think is related to the progesterone - will have to see now ive stopped. I think its an interaction of my metformin and thyroxine with the progesterone as they all can affect your tsh making me hyperthyroid - upset stomach and possibly affecting the outcome. Will have to see if the clinic have an idea when i go in for follow up.
I wasnt on the thyroxine last time and had much less stomach trouble on the progesterone (metformin always had a bad effect but not like this). I sort of feel i should have mentioned it but i dont think they would have thought much of it. If it is that i have no idea how they would fix it as you cant just mess with the thyroxine dose-it takes a while to take effect
I dont think taking the prog pill early in treatment had this effect though dont know why.

Suzy well done on all the eggs Fx for all to fertilise.

[suzylee73]

Glad your still around Naty you wouldn't have due to test till about now anyway if I recall correctly?
I don't understand any of the different drugs I just assume the clinic know sweat it's doing, hope I'm right.
I will get a phone call tomorrow, 8 eggs are fertilised but I don't think that means all 8 will make it to tomorrow. Hopefully ET tomorrow as it will be day 3. Still got stomach ache from EC

[suzylee73]

Every phone call I get leaves me with a lower number! Out if the original 12 I now have 5 left. 2 are at cell stage 7 and the other 3 are 10 cells. ET will be Monday which is day 5. I dread to think what the numbers will be by then!

[naty1]

Will they call tomorrow?
I think about 50% usually make it to blast so you should have some left. (Otherwise they would put back sooner)
Fx for monday.

[suzylee73]

I'm starting to feel a little bit protective over them now and want them all back haha
I don't know why I can't have 2 ten cell ones back today really? I won't get a call tomorrow which is a shame as I worry about how they are.

[naty1]

I think that is because it may not be both 10 cell that make it. You dont want one back that hasnt made to blast if another one does.
Do they not call because its sunday or day 4?

Shell - what sort of thing do they say in a review of a failed cycle. Do they make suggestions or just go over what happened?


Maybe a static dose would be better. They might all grow at a steady rate

[suzylee73]

They said it's because it's Sunday.

You said you were only going to have this one cycle but with hindsight are you thinking of doing it again?

[naty1]

Well i am but OH not on board.
Reasons
We gave it a go, if it was going to work it would have
Time off work
Risk of twins (i say more likely not to work than twins (1 baby out of 4 embryos transferred now)
Cost
Chances it still won't work
We dont understand why it didnt work so how can we improve- it could be implantation (due to thyroid after baby no1) or just luck with eggs.
Funnily he said he worries another wouldnt be as good as #1 as i worry they would be as bad. But that maybe as i always got up in night for feeding and dealt with teething.

I think i got set on it as it worked before there is an expectation there is no reason it shouldnt and my age 2.5 yrs older hasnt changed %s of success as still under 35.
I realise age is not the whole picture the combined MFI , pcos, hypothyroidism probably reduce our chances.
Its cost 4.5k so far (was expecting 6 but may have bills to come)

[suzylee73]

It's a lot of money. Some if his reasons don't seem reasonable, did he think these things before you started or is it grief that's making him give these reasons?
I suppose you can't really make any decisions until you have some feedback from the clinic

[Shellster52]

I'm back from my holiday in the middle of the bush and have internet again! As soon as I had reception in the car - the first thing I did is check up on you Suzy. I couldn't believe I was nervous to see how you went while I was away! As though I am going through it myself. Maybe coz I've been there before and know the feeling and am about to do it again in a weeks time.

Anyway, I know you worry that the numbers keep going down from 12 to 5. But that is completely normal. Trust me, it really is an amazing feat to have 5 embryos growing so well at day 3. Will check in on you again tomorrow.

Naty, nice to hear from you. While I feel awful for your IVF failure, it's kinda nice to have someone stick around to chat with who has been through IVF and not have it work out. I can understand your desire to try again. It really must be a gut wrenching moment to have to come to the decision to move on and know that it's game over and your dream will go unfulfilled and that you will get through it. I am too weak to make that call so I continue spending $$$$.

To answer your question, I am now at a new clinic and this doctor has recommended the flare protocol. She was an excellent dr and I really trusted her so I went with what she said. But I have since read some bad reviews of this protocol and it got me worried. I have now banned myself from internet research so I don't stress myself out any further but my mind won't be at ease until I start to see good results.

I assume by static dose, you mean stay on the same dose? I will be taking a set dose each day, but I have done this before. I don't think that my problem so much is that they grow at different rates. Rather, it is just that I am a poor responder and not many follicles grow in the first place.

[suzylee73]

Hey Shellster hope you enjoyed your break. It's nice that you were thinking of me but you should really of had the weekend of thinking about anything but IVF
Just waiting for my egg transfer. 4 have slowed down so might not make it to freeze but one is looking great. Shame about the 4 but I guess I only need the 1
How's things with you?

[naty1]

Were u always goung to have only 1 or would they still do 2?

[suzylee73]

I asked why not 2 when they rang this morning but she said the risk for multiple birth was far too high.
I'm still in the waiting room they are running a couple of hours late. My bladder is not amused

[naty1]

How old are you?
I think they will only ever transfer 1 blast because the success rates are much higher (and they can split into identicals anyway)

[suzylee73]

Im 40. Tbh twins would probably be too much, would rather have a complication free singleton

[naty1]

Im surprised they dont go with 2 blasts but you dont know how good someones implantation is until you have a go.
I was reading taller people have more chance of twins, even from ivf.

I agree twins, after having 1 would be a nightmare.
But the positive is kids get so much easier as time goes on a lot better by 6m better again by 1 etc.

Will yours do blood test or is it HPT?

[suzylee73]

Im only 5 5" so hopefully no twins for me I should know in the next couple of days if the other 4 eggs will get frozen, they didn't sound optimistic which is a shame as there is no plan B otherwise.
I can do a home test on the 27th, I have no intention of waiting that long. It will be every day from the 20th onwards
How you feeling?

[naty1]

Im 5'4 and no twins. My 5'2 sister also had a singleton.
(5'5 is above average though :) )
Hopefully you wont need frosties anyway.