Assisted conception after recurrent miscarriage part 5

[Mel3062]

Hope this is right ladies ...

I don't think as a vegetarian you'd be capable of eating too much protein, and as it's non-animal protein you're eating anyway, that's even safer. Or do you eat lots of eggs and dairy?
I've also read before that if you eat enough calories, you will automatically be eating enough protein for your daily needs - cell renewal, hair, nails, etc - no matter what form of diet you stick to. So I'm surprised you could be actually deficient in protein. Do you not eat any soya products? I live on them, and lentils (in tarka daal, mmm), chick peas, and kidney beans.
So what's happening with your cycle?

No, I avoid soya like the plague because of the links to possible hormone imbalancing for women that soya can cause. Lentils I like but other than the odd lentil soup I don't eat anything with it in, ditto any of the other pulses - I just don't eat food that contains any. I do eat Quorn, I try to eat one meal a day that contains it, but given that we're supposed to be aiming at something like 60g of protein a day, I'm way way off that mark! I do eat eggs and dairy, yes, but there's still only 12g of protein in two eggs and I can't eat them every day!

Well I didn't get anything even approaching an LH surge and as I started on the progesterone pessaries yesterday (which suppress LH), there wasn't any point in testing after yesterday morning (so faint an LH line you could barely see it). It's the first cycle in the 3.5 years I've been monitoring my cycles that I haven't had an LH surge. I can only assume it was down to the extra oestrogen that has been added in since day 2 of my cycle; I guess it unbalanced my hormones and just messed it all up. I'm only concerned because as I haven't ovulated, my body won't be producing its own natural progesterone and I will be relying on just the pessaries - which didn't give me a great level of progesterone last cycle. Serum will be testing my progesterone level at ET on Saturday, if it's not near the right level then it will be the gestone jabs for me, gulp!

Nothing ever runs smoothly in this game, does it?!

Hmmm, very frustrating. I've also added oestrogen to my cycle (via DHEA) and that hasn't had that effect before. No doubt you would have ovulated later this cycle but if you say that progesterone will inhibit your surge, that's rather buggered that up. Did you have any other signs of impending ovulation?
Do you eat nuts? What about those dried legume snacks, like wasabi peas? Mushrooms have a reasonable amount too.
I started charting today (day 10) - I don't bother before that usually nowadays - and melatonin does indeed lower bbt as I've read. Which may be how it induces sleep as the brain needs to be cool to sleep. How is your sleep? I really can recommend it. The only thing that worries me is reading that some people think taking exogenous melatonin will stop the body producing its own. But no one worries about that when they take the pill, for instance, do they - that the body will stop producing sex hormones?

I do eat almonds, when I remember, I have a snack pack in my drawer at work that I munch on. I think you're right that perhaps I would have ovulated later in the cycle, however, the fact that the one follie that was seen at CD11 hadn't grown at all by CD14 makes me wonder if I would even have ovulated. I confess I'm guessing, I think this has just been a WTF cycle for me, typically. I had none of the signs of impending ovulation at all, which also alerted me to the fact something peculiar was going on. I always know when I'm in the lead-up to ovulation, it's very obvious in bodily changes.

My sleep is still knackered, and OH is snoring every night too now which really doesn't help - it wakes me up instantly and I cannot sleep if he snores. I would definitely take the melatonin but I'm worried what effect it will have on my other hormones now that I'm doing ET on Sat? I don't want to risk anything with this cycle, although I would definitely like the benefit of melatonin. I think I need to research its effects again.

To be honest, when people take the pill I doubt very much they spare any thoughts whatsoever to what the long-term effects will be on their hormones - it just doesn't occur, I know it didn't to me, although I did check up on side effects before and during the long period I took it. I took the mini-pill for years, the full pill had a bad effect on me.

Ari hope it all goes well Saturday x we always have some sort of worry don't we :(
I've noticed my heart has been beating a lot faster these past few days, odd

Thanks mel. Pred can do that to you, as can (IIRC) DHEA. Get your level tested! :)

Yes it's on it's way ;)

Af arrived this afternoon so no need to test again! DH goes away for 2 weeks on cd11 this month so I doubt I will get pregnant on my 28 day cycle. Doubt we can fit in a session before he goes with dd around so it would be day 10 when I can attack him! Thinking of doing a super OV cycle in the summer.

ari good luck for Saturday.

mel I used to get palpitations on preds, another reason I stopped them.

brown the karyotyping was done on my last Erpc in October. I think as I had my loss at 20 weeks they did the more advanced test. I don't know if they would do it if I had only had 1st trimester miscarriages. I have noticed a massive difference in the way medical staff treat you once you have a later loss. Its wrong really as it's still traumatic having an earlier loss so should be treated the same. The end result is still no baby! I don't know what the official name is for the more advanced test. Initially they were only going to test myself and DH for the triplication on chromosome 12 but then the geneticist decided to run a full screening on them all seeing as I have lost so many pregnancies. I doubt they will find anything but you never know.

Sue that's pah :( I'm sorry, hope you can Dtd. My hubby is away the week I need him too by the look of it :(
I'm thinking of doing a super ovulation in summer too.
Yey got abit of sleep not taking the pred. Yes I've never had palpitations before it wasn't nice.

Ari best of luck for Sat, hope everything goes smoothly for you.

Endo scratch this pm ouch !

Af arrived this am hurray ( all this time wanting no show now I'm relieved!!)
I'm wondering about another scratch too as had one on serum in May as part of hysteo then conceived in sept but chemical. My friend had one and now Is 20 weeks after 5 mc and she swears it was that that helped. Can you get just a scratch done?

Also thinking of redoing the hidden infection test as that's been nearly a year too and dr g did ask if if had that done x

Glad you finally got AF Mel, just so you can get on with things if nothing else. I know how that feels waiting for something that we usually dread seeing. Sue interesting what your recent appointments have found out. Just so I understand, they don't think there is an issue, but you've had some newer more extensive testing just to make sure?
AFM, I had another scan yesterday 7+4 with dr s and all good. Saw and heard strong heartbeat 154bpm and baby measuring bang on for dates. V pleased as he said he couldn't fault it.
Long way to go but only been here once before 3 yrs ago with trisomy 13 baby girl and her FHB at 7wks was 102bpm fetal medical centre scan didn't pick up it was low and in those days I didn't think about researching it.
Best of luck for your transfer tomorrow Ari I really, really hope this is the one for you. Let us know how it all goes...

Thanks duggs yes abit surreal but relieved to get it! And onto next cycle. Really pleased about your scan that's great news x

Thanks ladies, sitting at Gatwick at the mo kicking my heels for a whole as I always leave lots of time. :)

Excellent news about your scan duggs, I'm going to be cautiously optimistic for you that this one is finally the right one!!

belly Oh I hear you on the 'ouch' .. I think the endo scratch was the most unpleasant of the procedures I've had done with this. Is this your day 21 (ish) then, with next month the actual IVF cycle? Hope your lining doesn't play silly buggers like mine has! Interestingly Penny said she's seen this happen in several ladies who had an endo scratch in the UK (the lack of a triple lined pattern the following month) - yet I've still not been able to find anything on t'internet where anyone has mentioned this. Oh well, we'll see, right?

mel Glad AF decided to show her face - I've heard that the endo scratch can only help and apart from being vaguely unpleasant won't hurt if you decide to do one?

Well this is it girls, wish me luck - I may need it! :)

Kicking my heels for a while not a whole! Flippin iphone!

Good luck, ari! xx

Duggs what fantastic news!!!

Ari good luck, I will be thinking of you.

Mel glad af has arrived! In regards to a scratch they do them at Newlife so am sure other clinics would do them for you without other treatment. It's over with quite quickly.

Finally filled in Serum form last night, just need to add dh's bit and send off tonight. Friends have lent us the money so sll systems go!

Thanks pebbles, yey good luck to you. Thanks I think I'll look into scratch maybe in a few months. Peny said I don't need to do retest for hidden infection she's just prescribed me antibiotics for when I get BFp bless her x

Good pebbles.... Glad the ball is rolling. Once you've spoken to peny you will feel so much better.
Lurking for news from Ari... Been wondering how her transfer went today ?

Penny certainly sounds lovely.

Also been lurking for news from Ari, hope all went well.

also lurking for ari

Hey ladies .. thanks for lurking :) Back from Athens and knackered, didn't hardly sleep last night due to huge crowd of v noisy late-teens also staying at the hotel and being loud pretty much all night!

Anyway everything went brilliantly, thankfully. Penny said my lining was 'not good, my dear, but excellent' at 12.9mm in the end (and typical me, the doubt of 'ah yes, but of what quality?' kicked in a short while after the elation of that news had worn off! :)). We got 6 blasts, 3 transferred and 3 that Penny froze FOC, bless her, which is quite something when you consider the cost of a FET cycle is included in that. I had pre- and post-ET acupuncture with a brilliantly funny doc at Serum, he was dancing around to a Michael Jackson track at one point!

Progesterone tested at 7.5 which P pronounced as 'fine' and said to carry on with the cyclogest for now and see what it's like on a BFP (fingers crossed), she'll make the decision whether I need injections then or not. I have no idea if this is an acceptable level at ET or too low, I can't find anything useful about levels on ET oddly.

Anyway I need to go sleep, /waves to everyone and hope you're all doing ok.

Ahh glad it went well,sounds good so far!
Really hoping it works out for you everything's crossed x
Maybe I'll look at going to serum for ivf if needed x

Amazing news Ari! Serum sounds so straightforward. Is the only think I think about that keeps me going. That that option is there. So comforting. Pebbles next isn't it.... Ari remind me was it double donor so in theory excellent sperm and excellent egg quality?