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Assisted conception after recurrent miscarriage part 5

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Mel3062 · 14/09/2013 19:37

Hope this is right ladies ...

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Arianrhod · 07/01/2014 11:15

I feel for you on that pebbles, it seems people are having babies all over the place right now :( Fingers crossed for this cycle for you, hope it's the one that sticks!

OH's niece had her baby 3 weeks early at the weekend and his whole family are of course all full of the baby. And OH is very keen for us to go and see her, of course - plus there was the Christmas family get-together on Christmas Day where said niece was, looking radiantly pregnant. Now she's lovely, and I wish her well - but I feel terrible about it; I should have been 2 weeks after her with this last IVF pregnancy. Oh, and an ex-au pair of my ex-DH, who I'm still in contact with on Facebook, posted pictures of the baby girl she just had before Christmas last night, I hadn't even known she was pregnant.

OH still isn't making any comment about doing a second IVF cycle, and here's me wanting to get on with planning it, hoping end of Feb to actually do ET although DD is still ill, I just don't know how much longer it's going to take before DD is completely better. No clue how the heck to kick his @rse into gear over this, while pointing out his tactlessness in wanting to go and coo over his new grand-niece!

/waves to everyone

suemays · 07/01/2014 13:07

pebbles its so hard when everyone else is pregnant, especially when its at work and you are faced with it every day. It helps me to think "you are pregnant but not with my baby". I had to spend Christmas Day with my family cooing over my nephews 2 week old baby so found that very hard and then New Year's Eve with another friend who is about to drop.

I have resigned myself to the fact that I don't think I will have another baby. I am getting to the point now where I don't get as broody or desperate to have one. Saying that I did have my appointment with mr s before Christmas to discuss my next steps but I am not popping steroids every month. For me, I am trying to get my life back to normal - starting to diet and exercise and booking in things with friends. When frantically TTC I wouldn't book anything up incase i was pregnant plus stopped exercising. Fed up with feeling like a social outcast incase pregnant friends / babies are there!

brown hope you are ok and the scan gave you a definite answer.

ari part of the reason I feel like giving up is that my DH also is not that bothered about keeping TTC. Its a bit of a lonely journey at times!

duggs glad you have another plan in place. Have you had any test results back from DH yet? I still think you will get there!

duggs1976 · 07/01/2014 13:27

Hello ladies... Ari you are doing Donor embryo honey? If so then your chances are almost 70% aren't they as you can have young proven donors? We have a call with penny tomorrow evening. DH having his tests on Friday morning - he has had his consultation with the embryologist. The infection he had was a gut/intestine one so it may well have returned in the last year which would explain the terrible results of this last cycle.

Sue I don't blame you for your approach, you may well get pregnant again with a chromosonally ok baby but like you say you need to look forward and enjoy time with DD are you staying on hydroxy? I've stopped everything right now.

Pebbles fingers crossed this one is the one - have you discussed what you'd do if this doesn't work out?

Freelance is almost there with her documentary so that will be interesting when it comes out!

Pebbles73 · 07/01/2014 14:04

I really feel for you Ari and Sueas must have been v hard for you both. it's hard to behave normally around pregnant people and new babies!! It's not that you aren't happy for them but just keep thinking why can't I manage it!

I hope you can talk your dh round Ari and as Duggs said you have very high chances if it working with a donor embryo.

It sounds like you are taking a healthy attitude to the whole thing Sue, we don't want to look back and think we missed out on so much because of constantly ttc. Good for you. Smile

If this doesn't work Duggs and I am not holding my breath then I plan to look at donor eggs with Serum. If that doesn't work then I guess it's onto adoption. Just need to get my head round not actually being pregnant and having the baby myself etc.

Have a scan and progesterone blood test next Wednesday, can't seem to muster up much enthusiasm at the mo. Need to try and get some positivity.

Arianrhod · 07/01/2014 15:08

Ah sue, I know exactly what you're saying. I've swung back and forwards from that view myself, asking myself if I'm utterly nuts to keep on with this in the face of everything - even DD has started saying she doesn't want a baby sister or brother anymore. I can't afford another cycle, I will have to take out a loan to do it (which is difficult in itself); OH doesn't want to have anything to do with actually doing another cycle as far as I can tell, let alone paying for anything - the only thing he's interested right now is the next holiday, which he's already researching, and will be wanting me to pay half of. He is quite against another child from a finance point of view, as it will restrict the things we do to a degree (three holidays last year!), whereas I would rather just have a couple of weeks down on the south coast once a year and have two children! Methinks we have fundamental differences in our outlooks, I just wish I'd known this before I started seeing him all those years ago. Oh well.

sue I think your attitude is a very healthy one, actually - we put our lives on hold for this and before you realise it, your life is just flying past and you're not doing the things you actually want to do in your life. pebbles I hear you too - I'm actually finding I have little interest in anything much these days; I guess I'm just tired of all the stress and hassle. I do often feel like I wish I could pull the duvet over my head and get up in a couple of years when all this worry has gone away - I'm sure you can all relate to that!

duggs I'm loving your planning and yes, I would be doing both donor egg and sperm. It makes me sad to think when we started this road my eggs were probably still good enough; I was 42, and had DD when I was 39. I'm now almost 46, tomorrow actually, and almost certainly my eggs are now completely knackered. I don't mind the donor aspect of it, it just makes me sad that I didn't know OH and I were so incompatible (I'm talking genetically here, although other meanings do cross my mind these days!) all that time ago; if I'd known, I wouldn't have bothered trying at all.

duggs When will your DH get his test results back, do you know? Hopefully it will just be another course of antibiotics or something to get him right again? Lots of luck for your consultation, I really do like Penny a lot personally, she is one of the few genuine people in this game, I feel. There are rumours she's intending, if not to completely retire, at least take more of a back seat in this IVF/fertility game - I'm hoping all of us get our babies before that happens!

I'm slightly worried because Penny now wants me to 'get a cheap flight' and go over for an aqua scan, to check the last miscarriage didn't leave any further scarring, and I just can't afford to do that. Thinking of how miuch scarring was seen during the hysto I had in April in Athens just worries me that similar might have happened. There was no way anything would have implanted prior to that hysto, but I cannot afford to have another one. I was hoping that the hysto I had here (Sept?) to remove the last bits of the miscarriage would have left my cervix healthy enough, but it seems now that Penny wants to check. I'm going to have to gamble on this one, I honestly can't afford another airfare and another aqua scan on top of the costs of another cycle. This is another thing just making me wonder if I'm doing the right thing carrying on with this - am I just stupid to gamble that all is ok inside? What a waste of a hell of a lot of money if it's not!

Sorry, I'm just feeling all this is going to end up futile, I do try to be positive but it's getting harder and harder!!

Pebbles73 · 07/01/2014 18:20

Sorry forgot to say I hope you are doing ok Brown

Just had a lurk on pred thread and nearly everyone seems to be pregnant!!

Pebbles73 · 07/01/2014 18:50

Sorry writ that post earlier and it didn't send, so mow read your post Ari.

It is so difficult to know what to do for the best and understand your dilemma re the aqua scan. I think sometimes you just have to take the risk that everything is ok. There are lots more tests we should get done but we can't afford them on top of the price of ivf. If I was you I would take the chance that everything is ok seeing as you had the hysto in September.
Would be nice to go back to bring about 30 when life was less stressful! My mum stayed all over Xmas and took her back at the weekend, she hates being in the house on her own since my Dad went in the home and has been quite down so that's another worry. Sorry I seem to be on a bit of a downer!

Anyway I hope you have a nice Birthday tomorrow Ari in spite of all the other stuff.

duggs1976 · 07/01/2014 19:24

I second pebbles advice - go for it with donor embryos your age is pretty irrelevant and you will know you have done literally ALL you can ... Once you are pregnant successfully then surely DH will tag along !?!

Pebbles it might encourage you to know serum do 2 IVF cycles for 4000 euro plus about 1,500 drugs costs per cycle. If you wanted to test sperm and eggs independently then sperm costs no more so I will be testing my eggs with donor sperm and freezing any decent resulting embryos. If that doesn't work we will do same with DH sperm and try donor eggs and half donor egg and donor sperm. That costs 5000 euros. So all in all I'm opting for £15k spend on 2 cycles one egg donor and testing sperm and eggs separately so in effect 4 combinations. This cost includes travel and intrallipids etc based on agates fab spreadsheet. It probably isn't what u want to read now but if our eggs and sperm don't stand up then at least donor embryos from young proven anonomous donors
Gives a great chance of excellent blastocysts ( u get 3 grade 1 blastyos guaranteed ) so keep in mind that you r not at the end of the road an this FET has a good chance but is not the whole world x

duggs1976 · 07/01/2014 19:26

No idea how we pay for this as I am looking for work but if we don't put an end to this hideous journey this year then i am not sure what will happen!!HmmConfusedShock

brownstag · 07/01/2014 20:02

I sympathise so much with what all of you ladies are saying. I too logically think it won't happen, but the difference is, I'm spurred on by my new ability to conceive, which after so long a period of depressing infertility is heartening.
Ari, I feel the same. If only I'd sorted out the problem with conceiving when I was 39, 40 or 41 when presumably my eggs were better than now - when I am able to conceive at nearly 43 with endless crap eggs.
My scan showed that everything had been expelled although there was some residual pregnancy hormone shown on the blood test so they want me to do another urine pregnancy test in 2 weeks to make sure the levels are going down, not up.
Oddly enough, only day 7 of my new cycle, I just had a positive ovulation test. I don't normally test so early so who knows what normally happens at that point, but my ovaries feel like something's going on, so I tested. Better dtd then! I wasn't expecting to be getting back on the bike I'd fallen off so quickly!
I've also got a phone consultation with Penny at Serum next week and am due to start another superovulation with Mr S on my next cycle.

brownstag · 07/01/2014 20:05

Oooh, somehow loads of new posts appeared between my reading and posting - in case it seems like I was ignoring anyone!

brownstag · 07/01/2014 20:06

Happy birthday tomorrow, Ari. You have the same birthday as my DS.

Arianrhod · 08/01/2014 13:36

Thank you brown, and happy birthday to your DS! :)

suemays · 08/01/2014 16:02

Happy birthday ari!!

Arianrhod · 09/01/2014 11:46

Thank you sue :) How are things going with you?

suemays · 09/01/2014 22:29

Fine thanks, nothing to report here!

Mel3062 · 11/01/2014 09:08

Happy belated birthday Ari x

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Mel3062 · 11/01/2014 09:12

Brown I'm liking the pma good luck next cycle! I've had migraine and now af bang on due day, it's soul destroying when we've Dtd so much :(

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suemays · 13/01/2014 09:29

mel at least your cycles are normal so that you have a good chance of conceiving this month! I am due in the next few days - negative on a test this morning so waiting for af to show too.

Mel3062 · 13/01/2014 18:20

I know and I know I'm lucky for that it's so hard x

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lemonsherbet · 13/01/2014 22:30

Happy belated birthday ari

Arianrhod · 14/01/2014 09:15

Thank you lemon :) Feeling old now, although one mum at DD's birthday party cheered me up no end on Saturday when she said she didn't think I'd remember the Generation Game (DD had a make-your-own-pizza party at Pizza Express, and it really did look like something out of the Generation Game). I had to laugh, I must be a good 5 to 10 years older than she is!

Arianrhod · 15/01/2014 09:56

Morning ladies, just wondered how everyone is doing?

brownstag · 15/01/2014 11:26

All fine here, thanks. Just have my real LH surge, after so many false positives early on. I'm assuming real as it's day 15. So just waiting for hubby to get back for golf to dtd. Sorry, tmi for elevenses?
How are you?

swlondonnanny · 15/01/2014 11:54

All fine here as well, thank you. Not even doing ovulation tests this month - getting married in 4 weeks time takes my mind of TTC really well. Noticed some EWCM yesterday and thought - oh no we'd better DTD but hang on who will pick the colour of napkins if we are busy DTD.
Find it quite refreshing and relaxing actually - after 3 years of TTC and 9 early losses and no baby/child yet for once I have no idea which day of cycle I am Grin.