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Hut of Gl/Doom, lost count of the number coz its been so long - optimists need not apply!

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OracleInaCoracle · 07/08/2011 10:51

Couldn't find the hut but in dire need of a hideout away from all those "its been 2 months" and "am I pregnant" threads.

For those of us who've been burnt by ttc, can't get pregnant, can't stay pregnant or are sick of hearing the "just relax" refrain.

Leave your hope at the door and grab a gin, we are back in the speakeasy with meths on tap!

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queenrollo · 28/11/2011 16:36

well i've spent a glorious few hours having cuddles with an adorable baby (not the friend who neglected to tell me she'd given birth but the one who has had baby number 6!)
Oddly though after about 20 mins of holding the little bundle and enjoying that baby smell i suddenly got really strong AF pains and the spotting turned into full flow! I never normally have that with AF...

queenrollo · 28/11/2011 17:23

um...i need help ladies.

I've just checked my letter for tomorrow's appt. It says bring a urine sample. I'm not sure what they need it for but as I've got AF i'm obviously not pregnant and also I have no hope of getting a 'clean' sample. It will be contaminated with blood (tmi).
What should I do? Take on anyway (and sods law says they won't ask for it) or not take one and explain why.

HaveALittleFaithBaby · 28/11/2011 18:25

Do it and tell them you're still bleeding. They will test it yes for baybees but also for other stuff like glucose.

queenrollo · 28/11/2011 18:33

thanks Faith. I'll do that.

HaveALittleFaithBaby · 28/11/2011 18:36

What is tomorrow?

queenrollo · 28/11/2011 21:38

it's just my appt at clinic to see someone (possibly my consultant but most likely not) to discuss in person my test results and also to ask them what they intend to do when i have my lap and dye.....

pinkapples · 28/11/2011 22:01

Good luck tomorrow Smile

HaveALittleFaithBaby · 28/11/2011 22:12

Oooh that appointment....hope it goes well. We'll be here with gin when you're finished.

queenrollo · 29/11/2011 07:49

thanks girls. i've written down some questions I want answers too. Even though my blood tests came back fine I'm going to ask why they insisted on doing a day 21 when it should have been a day 26 given the length of my cycle.
I've decided that I'm going to make it quite clear to them that while i'm not an expert, I do actually understand more about this than they might think and i'm not going to be fobbed off with wishy washy answers.
I also haven't submitted my official complant yet as I thought it might be best to hang fire for now and do it after my surgery so that it is a 'complete' complaint if you see what I mean.

AF very painful today, and tender abdomen. If my body has followed true then I ov'd left side this month.
I'm volunteering this morning so will be very busy and have my mind taken off this afternoon.
Bit nervous but only because hospitals give me that feeling anyway....

pinkapples · 29/11/2011 13:09

Well another bfn this morning Sad phoned the clinic who said to do another test on thursda. Not that I see the point particularly but hey ho... Wind is really bad so as if my day couldn't get any worse the gate on the front of my house has blown clean off.. Plus hinges!! Angry

Also feeling crap.. Stomach pains and generally feeling lethargic.. Can't be bothered with work much! Either AF is on route or my body is on strike!!! SadSad

queenrollo · 29/11/2011 14:46

oh pink

i had a pretty crappy morning. Have started to volunteer at totally the wrong time - loads of office politics going on, it was not a comfortable place to be today.

Home now, just fed myself and waiting for DH to get in. Then we'll go and sit in the hosptial (for ages probably) and see how we get on.
I have a feeling that if I don't get to see the actual consultant I may not get the answers I'm after and I'm going to get cross all over again if that is the case.

HaveALittleFaithBaby · 29/11/2011 15:04

Well I've just had a trip to the wrong side of the hospital. DH came off his bike and hit his head. He's ok but because he felt sick and dizzy he needed checking out. Staff were lovely, my boss was supportive. Just monitoring him at home for signs of head injury now!
pinky stupid bfn. Still rooting for you.
queen sorry to hear you're volunteering is tricky. I'm helping to sort our hospital volunteers. Totally crazy, I had no idea how complex it is. What kind of volunteering are you doing?

queenrollo · 29/11/2011 17:10

faith i'm doing recpetion/admin duties at Citizens Advice.

Right. we actually didn't have to wait that long. My being a stubborn so and so paid off as I actually got to see the consultant.
I have had some answers. I have got really flippin' cross. am still Angry and have yet more things to add to the complaint.

he started wittering about IVF. I said there was no point, we're not eligible and then he kept repeating 'yes, but you can pay private'.......Hmm

HaveALittleFaithBaby · 29/11/2011 17:20

Was that it?! Glad you got to see the big man but did you get any answers?

queenrollo · 29/11/2011 18:42

right...

He said that he wouldn't normally do this kind of consult before lap and dye and that he had expected to just speak to me on the morning of the procedure. I was blunt and said he couldn't very well expect me to consent to a general anaesthetic and surgical procedure without talking it through properly first. He really, honestly was expecting to just talk through the op on the morning of the surgery itselfShock

I asked him about my borderline day 21 result and queried why he had stuck to that date assuming a 28 day cycle when they knew i had longer cycles. He fobbed me off with some stupid graph he drew Hmm but i think my being quite persistent that i knew day 26 would have given a more accurate result put him on the back foot a bit.

We talked a lot about the blocked tube/hydrosalpinx. He muttered about the lap and dye being exploratory. I stuck to my guns. I asked him if tying/removing the tube would increase my chances of natural conception. He just went on about that only applying to IVF. I pointed out the science is the same whether natural conception or not.
So the end result of this meeting is that I am having the lap and dye. I have asked him to note the following.
If he can unblock the tube to do so.
If he has to tie/clip the tube instead to do so.
If it's worse than we thought or removal of tube is necessary then he is NOT to do that. I will discuss my options and re-consider further surgery.

He was like a broken record about two things. My being at risk of ectopic if i insist on having the tube clipped. And that it is not the end of the road as we 'could pay privately for IVF'.....i know he works for a private clinic too. I am effing furious that he KEPT saying it.

He wanted to completely discount the possibility of the hydrosalpinx preventing fertilized embryo implanting (having done a LOT of research I am convinced I have been pregnant twice and had early mc)

He did however get the shock of his life when he mentioned DH's sperm sample was 'reasonably ok' (and DH was in cloud cuckoo land at this point so I had to make him pay attention).
As soon as he said it I responded 'we weren't told that in June' - you'd have thought i'd punched him from the look on his face. I made him give me the actual results and DH's morphology is 'low but within the acceptable range'.....I was cross. I told him again that we were NOT told that before. We had been reassured that DH sample was perfectly fine.
Maybe i'm being pedantic but 'perfectly fne' and reasonably ok' are not the same thing.

Sorry this is long but I only want to type it once and this is a good reference point for me to come back to when I want to make notes for my complaint.

Oh and despite being told I would stay on the waiting list he seemed to think that insisting on this appt means I will be added to the list today and so my 'probable 18 week wait' actually starts from today and not the end of October.

It's just a bloody shambles.

pinkapples · 29/11/2011 19:56

Oh no sorry to hear that it didn't go as well as you'd hoped but well done for sticking to your guns and asking about the things u wanted answering...

I'm back from work now finally still feeling utter crap I gave really dull pains in my lower stomach it's been here now for over a week never felt anything like this before but then I've never ovulated and never had a natural AF and never been pregnant so who the f* knows what's going on with me... I can't tell the difference anymore as I have absolutely nothing to compare anything to!!!

Rant over I'm off for a brew Smile

broccolitrees · 29/11/2011 21:13

cack all round then :(

i phoned for my early scan today because the gp that saw me said to ring if i hadn't heard anything following the urgent referral by today. seems that NOBODY knows anything about me and i am not in the system. i kept getting passed from person to unhelpful person til eventually someone said, try again in the morning but ask for the clinics instead, to try and discover who my consultant actually is. failing that i can ask the gp to make a telephone referral to the epau for the scan. i want to go back to the north east where the consultant's secretary was literally at the other end of the phone, and i was told to call at any time i was pregnant Sad i know i shouldn't be being mardy about this since i haven't had any spotting this time and i am having terrible ms (although wretching but not puking at this stage, and not that that makes it certain anyway, given i was so nauseas last time) but i really feel like i can't relax/enjoy til i see that hearbeat...

pinkapples · 30/11/2011 06:38

Yup pretty much and for you too by the looks of things going round in circle Sad

Oh well any hope I had is officially gone as I started spotting last night and has turned into full flow this morning... On the bright side I know I ovulated (nurse said there was a very rare chance I wouldn't of on ovitrelle) and I can squeeze in another cycle before Christmas Grin but... I'm not in the mood right now for bright side so f* it all

Biscuit anyone?

queenrollo · 30/11/2011 08:53

oh pink Sad

broc

my DH said last night it's a steep learning curve for him. he never knew anything about 'women's bits' (and he's been married twice before!). Bless him he really didn't know that there's still a good chance even with only one tube working....he really thought if one was knackered then it was game over. This may account for some of his moodiness/being down over the last month.

I feel relieved to have yesterday over but now that anti-climax because basically i just have to sit and twiddle my thumbs now for several more months. The rate I'm going if i get lucky then i could be looking at a 2013 baby. It's not cheering me up.

pinkapples · 30/11/2011 11:39

I phoned the clinic this morning the nurse is going to speak to the consultant andsee what happens might get another cycle done before Christmas if I am lucky don't know whether to go private for ivf I know I'm still young but I have just had enough now and that would be the next step after 2 more injectable cycles so... Hmm what to do what to do..Hmm

queenrollo · 01/12/2011 13:56

we had our dog put to sleep this morning.

this week can just eff right off now.....

pinkapples · 01/12/2011 16:59

Awww so sorry queen Sad I have 2 dogs so know how much you love them like a member of the family

Started a new cycle today woohoo

HaveALittleFaithBaby · 01/12/2011 18:14
queenrollo · 01/12/2011 20:42

we had bagels, cream cheese and smoked salmon for dinner and i washed it down with a whole tub of Ben and Jerry's ice cream.
My eyes hurt from crying, i'm shattered but it's way too early to go to bed.

I've decided that after Christmas I'm going to do a detox. I'm really proud of myself because stress is a major trigger for me to smoke and I've had three major things this week that would normally have me lighting up and I have fought through it and am still on the wagon.

I'm about to pour myself a small measure of very expensive single malt.

HaveALittleFaithBaby · 01/12/2011 23:38

queen that dinner sounds yummy. Mmm icecream. I've just discovered co-op's rocky road. Gorgeous :) well done for not.lighting up. I am impressed.
We're off for DH's mri tomorrow. Feeling positive there's no tumour there Hmm I really hope it's just the meds. I'll let you know how it goes.