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Social workers are under direct financial and career pressure to take children away from their parents - today's Mail

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edam · 15/08/2005 13:38

Anyone who has followed Bunglie's saga will know how frightening social services practise towards some parents can be. Hopefully not in every case, but the attitude of professionals towards mothers accused of harming their children left/leaves a lot to be desired in terms of objectivity and evidence-gathering.

Today's Mail takes this onto new ground. I'd already heard from my sister, who works in this field, examples of parents with learning difficulties being treated as 'guilty until proved innocent' in terms of their capacity to look after their own children.

In p. 8 & 9 today's Mail carries a story on social workers removing children from people with learning difficulties. They include an opinion piece by Prof Tim Booth, prof social policy at Sheffield who has some interesting things to say about discrimination by soc. services: '[this is] a form of abuse by the system whereby people are made worse off by the services that are supposed to help them. It is rampant, pervasive and destructive of family life, and far more prevalent than ... child abuse. ...system abuse, more than child abuse, is the precipitating factor behind the high rates of child removal.'

Together with the Government's policy to 'encourage' all mothers of young children back to work whether they want to or not, and proposals for massive database storing information about all our children (and sparking social services investigations if two 'red flags' are raised - like a health visitor saying a baby is 'not gaining enough weight' and a later trip to A&E because the same child falls out of a tree), I'm very worried. It seems the Government is, whether deliberately or not, undermining the private sphere of family life and turning itself into the childcatcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

What do you think?

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caligula · 03/09/2005 14:07

Wahay! Welcome back Bunglie!

edam · 03/09/2005 14:07

Hey Bunglie, great to see you back. Good post.

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Bunglie · 03/09/2005 14:15

Sorry, I just dissapeared! Things got too much for me. No contact from my dd who I have been told does not want contact with me as she has had 'the letter' written 18 years ago by a social worker telling her that she had to be adopted because I tried to kill her! So much for the fairness of social workers!

I am feeling a lot more calm now and waiting to find out the outcome of Meadows appeal. Isn't it odd but so many people still think that I am guilty despite the fact that he has been struck off. I have only just realised that I will never be able to clear my name even if I have the Judgment overturned, it makes no difference as I will not be allowed to tell anyone...it will come under a gagging order! Daft or what?

caligula · 03/09/2005 14:19

More than daft. Contrary to the basic principles of justice.

edam · 03/09/2005 14:32

The point about no professional wanting to put a child in a residential home is just untrue - lots of councils, including most London boroughs are doing just that. Shortage of 8,000 foster carers means they are placing kids in other areas - up to 100 miles away from home - in residential homes or foster care. The government makes statements about children being better off near home, maintaining school and friendship/extended family relationshps, but actually on the ground that isn't what is happening. Of course the shortage of foster carers is appalling, and forces council's hands. But it is untrue that they don't routinely place children in residential homes.

It is also illogical to argue that 'social workers are reluctant to take some kids into care = social workers are not prejudiced against some sorts of families and not over-ready to take some children into care unecessarily'. One doesn't negate the other.

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edam · 03/09/2005 14:35

Caligula's right. The gagging orders should be overturned too. It is not beyond the wit of intelligent people to protect the child's confidentiality without setting up a kafka-esque nightmare of secret courts. Sealing people's medical records and frigthening them to the point where they can't even disclose their own medical history to a doctor is a. ludicrous and b. an example of the sort of abuse of power that is inevitable once those in authority think they can act behind closed doors, without any scrutiny.

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giraffeski · 03/09/2005 14:35

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Bunglie · 03/09/2005 14:56

My ds has been a bit careful, that is the best way of putting it! when he told me that she thinks that I have conned him and that it was not him that I tried to kill in her opinion. She will not listen. I am hoping that time will help.

Edam is so right when she writes about what the Social Workers are doing. It is time that someone 'policed' them and put a stop to all of this. Children belong with their parents if possible. I know it is not always possible and I do not deny that child abuse exists. I grew up in care from the age of 14 and I feel I am one of the lucky ones who got out of the system and managed to survive and get to college. I remember my tutor at college said she would not have touched me with a barge-pole if she had known that I was in a care home. I was too old to foster and I was in a home with girls who had committed murder (Mary Bell), stolen babies and done nothing like me. There was no discrimination in care means you are bad or a criminal and very few people want to help you, hence I do not tell many people 30 years on.

giraffeski · 03/09/2005 15:02

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Bunglie · 03/09/2005 15:20

I have not seen him since I last posted that he came and stayed with me. That was more than I could have dreamt of, but it is painful to think that my dd is still being fed lies by my 'step-monster' and also her adoptive parents believe this. The judge did make a ruling that the prospective adopters should not be told anything other than it was because I have Epilepsy as to why my children were adopted. The social services not only gave the adoptive parents confidential reports by Meadows, (I recently found this out!) but the letter is called a 'Letter for Life' and apparently a lot of children who have been adopted are given one when they are 18 and it is written by the Social Worker at the time of the adoption. As soon as the adoptive parents knew I was going through legal means to prevent her from having this letter they gave it to her 6 months before her 18th birthday. My son was given one as well and he said his 'screwed with his mind' for a while and he said he did not think his sister should have hers which was what prompted me to try and stop her getting it legally.

I am certain that as time goes on she will realise that I have always told her the truth and my ds has some of the papers now so he can show them to her, but he said he thought he would wait until she is more receptive!

One day I think the world will look back at this time in history and think it was like the old witch trials of the middle ages. MSbP has been disproved but not everybody wants to believe it. just recently on Hallmark, one of my favourite channels (on sky) have shown 2 films within a month both with MSbP as a theme and in both the doctor who discovered it was played by the same actress, and she directed the films so I can not help but feel that some people are feeling rather threatened at the moment.

One day the 'Truth will out'

giraffeski · 03/09/2005 15:27

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caligula · 03/09/2005 15:30

Can you take legal action against the social workers who disobeyed the judge's direction and the AP's for giving the child the letter for life 6 months earlier?

Don't worry, your DD is only 18 and she's got a long way to go. Eventually as you say, the truth will come out Bunglie. It may take some time, but she will begin to question what she was told, especially as your DS maintains a relationship with you.

Bunglie · 03/09/2005 15:41

My dd has had the letter for over a year now.

The fact that she was given the letter early was wrong and the fact that the adoptive parents were given confidential papers was worse. I wrote to the ombudsman and got no joy and was told by both the ombudsman and a solicitor that I was 'out of time' if I wanted to make a private prosecution, even if I could afford it. I wrote to the court and informed them of the breach of the Judges order (Judgment) and I never got a reply apart from a standard 'thank you for your letter....Thank you for bringing this matter to our attention and we will look into it.' I have heard nothing more and I do not expect to, but if I broke the gagging order they would fine or prosecute me for being in contempt of court.

I know that you are all right and I pray that in time she will realise the truth. My son has a copy of the MAMA DVD and I know that there are about 7-8 floating around Mnet, I must start a thread and find out who has them and see who would like to see it, if any one?

edam · 03/09/2005 18:22

God, is it really a year Bunglie? Didn't realise you'd been in care yourself, that must make it even more difficult.

The thing that strikes me is that we know perfectly well that social services make bad parents - children in care do badly (often dreadfully) at school and on any other measurement you'd care to use - what is officially called 'life chances' but includes going to prison, teenage pregnancy etc. etc.

That's a shocking condemnation of all of us, really, since these are damaged children we as a society are meant to be looking after. But logically, doesn't it mean that children should only be taken into care as the very last resort, when they are in danger? So why do social workers fall prey to prejudice and hysteria - thinking of Marietta Higgs and Cleveland, satantic abuse and MSbP? OK, all the 'caring' professions attract people who enjoy wielding power over others (as well as many dedicated people, of course) but there must be something very wrong with the whole system and ethos of social work.

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edam · 03/09/2005 18:27

PS you are quite right about witch trials Bunglie - Arthur Miller all over again. Witches were women seen as powerful by their neighbours - mothers are women with power.

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monkeytrousers · 04/09/2005 10:54

What a travesty of justice this all is, and it just keeps going. So sad about your ds Bunglie.

(I'm on the list for the vid, BTW)

Busyalexsmummy · 08/09/2005 23:33

hmm, cant say i particulary agree with this, social services have a motto of "every possible effort should taken to keep the child with the family"

lol i think they take it far too literally in some cases

I endured a horrific upbringing( I wont go into details) but it included being left at home alone from 18 months and at the age of 11 left at home for a week whilst my mother went on holiday-the police and ss got involved with that incident and still nothing was done.

eventually I managed to put myself in care at 15 and they tried their bloody hardest to get me back home-on your bike, there was no way on earth i was going back

I mean if you heard some of the stuff that i went through, its pretty unbeleivable that they wanted me back home

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