Does anyone else think this man really ought to have received a custodial sentence.

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quite graphic, sorry

just can't believe the man wasn't punished in any way.

i'm not looking....is it the babywipe?

yes it is the babywipe ILove, why on earth did he not get punished? Just because his motive wasn't sexual (he says) how can than justify him walking free?

What the hell does it matter if it wasn't sexual? He caused harm to that baby to prevent the inconvenience of another dirty nappy.

I think it's sickening. Poor baby

At the very least he should have been charged with neglect/child cruelty. He didn't even get a fine.

I have an idea what this refers to without reading the link. It's still sending shivers down my spine and the hairs on the back of my neck are up.

Totally and utterly thing he should be hung. However, in the utterly stupid sentencing that is out of order.

Sorry that should have read, it's the stupid sentencing that's out of order

Omg

If that judge believes that man does not need punishing, the world has gone man.

poor, poor baby

If the mother had done I wonder if the judge would still have seen it as being 'a little misguided'. No, he'd have locked her up and thrown away the key.

FWIW I think it was sexually motivated. he left it in overnight then stuffed his fingers up the baby's anus the next day.
According to the judge I'm baseless. Not the man, me.

That's really bizarre. Surely he should have been done for the equivalent of GBH at the very least? Why should whether it was sexually motivated or not have anything to do with it (I mean I could see that a sexual motivation would be especially unpleasant, but harming someone is harming them surely?). I cannot see (unless he was in some way incredibly stupid) that he could possibly have thought that his actions were not going to harm the baby, and how it could be considered "without malice" is just really really odd. I thought that there was now a crime in not seeking help too? Although that may be England & Wales only, and I see this case is Scottish. It sounds as if he really hurt the child in getting the wipe out and did nothing about it. If the baby had died then wouldn't that be manslaughter at the least? I hope that this judgment is appealed.

I was so shocked reading this last night that he didn't recieve a custodial sentence. In my mind it's tantamount to abuse through the sheer scale of his stupidity at the very least.

I don't care whether his motives were malicious or not, he has caused a baby serious damage and he should be punished for that.

Completetly shocking and desperately sad.

agree nooka, beliee it wasnt sexual but surely it's ABH??
poor baby
wtF was he thinking? why did he not want the nappy dirtrying?

So he didn't want a dirty nappy but thought it was ok to first stuff the wipe up there and THEN remove it causing massive internal injuries

And THEN the judge makes out it was a bit of a boo boo.

He needs to be reemed out with a blunt instrument to see how he likes it.

OMGFG. That is truly horrible. He does need a custodial sentance and if I were the mother of the injured child I would be challenging this.

It's not been mentioned in the reports, but is it possible that the man had some kind of learning difficulty, because that is the only reason I think of as to why he hasn't been locked up for a very, very long time.

We really don't value children in this society nearly as much as we think we do.

I was just about to post that unless you have learning difficulties then it is patently obvious to even those without childcare experience, that one does not stuff baby wipes or fingers up tiny babies' bottoms. In the same way you don't stick your finger in the plug hole as far as it will go or attempt to put your penis down the hoover in the natural run of things without expecting pain or sexual pleasure, you understand that big thing into small thing is a bad idea, painful and wrong.

GothAnneGeddes, That's what I thought. Unless the judge is mad it only makes sense if he saw that the man had no idea what he was doing. In which case it's not a crime as such no matter how awful it is. Though you might order some kind of supervision to protect others.

I know a guy who looks after himself mostly, but is doing stuff he has been taught without any real understanding of what or why he is doing it. I don't know if he would do what this guy did, but if he did he wouldn't know why it was wrong.

I hope we find out cos if that isn't the reason that judge needs sacking.

absolutely horrible he needs to be put away.

learning difficulties has to be the only possible acceptable explanation here (though unacceptable decisions by judges are not exactly unknown....)

I do think Sakura is right that a mother would not have been let off so easily. The fact that it was to save the trouble of changing a nappy makes it particularly reprehensible, because it's not even as if he thought he was doing it for the good of the baby - it was to save himself trouble.
Either this man has learning difficulties or this just goes to show what pitifully low expectations society has of men when it comes to looking after children. I don't think this is unrelated to the way everyone is always so impressed when the dad of a new baby changes nappies whereas mums are just expected to know how to do it.

Would it have made it to court if he had special needs?

This is absolutely sickening. I cannot believe the judge stated that his actions were "misguided intervention than as an act of malice". I am sorry but imho he either acted in the full knowledge of what he was doing and therefore needs to be put away (and hopefully tortured himself) OR he acted with no understanding of the potential consequences and therefore needs to be put away.
Learning difficulties are NOT an excuse for this type of behaviour and should not be tolerated. The judge needs to be sacked and that horrible, vile excuse for a human should be put away. Disgusting.

I am so shocked - this should have been a custodial sentence.

No question there should have been a custodial sentence. I hope he is NEVER allowed to go anywhere near that child again - he nearly died ffs!

I don't understand your post Sakura - are you this childs mother?