Does anyone else think this man really ought to have received a custodial sentence.

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quite graphic, sorry

just can't believe the man wasn't punished in any way.

seth he said he was doing it for that reason, and how can a three month old baby give evidence against him? For all we know he was jacking off as he listened to the baby screaming in pain and terror. The baby would have been screaming. He was dying. they still don't know if he's going to live.
The judge is in a fantasy world. These men in power have never looked after a baby- he has no idea how wrong this is.

But you know men must be believed at any cost. That's why we have new law coming in to protect rapists.

God, is there no women's group I can contact about this.
It is absolutely sickening. I think we need a protest. CHildren's rights are being stamped on to protect men.

I think Sakura was referring to the judges comments of "baseless accusations of sexual motivation".

Usually judges do the right thing by the victim and apply the law accordingly.
This judge did not. A child was harmed in an obvious and cruel way and a man should have been punished correctly.
Perhaps this was not sexually motivated (personally I dont think it was) and perhaps it was motivated by a lazy, stupid man hoping to avoid another dirty nappy for as long as possible, but a child has been severely mistreated and wounded and may still die or if not live with horrific injuries and the offender ought to be given a sentence in keeping with this.

Very distressing story.

Absolutely agree sakura. Once again it appears it's ok to abuse children (intentionally or not) and that it doesn't really matter .

He did not realise what he was doing, apparently, so that makes it ok and he doesn't deseve jail. Not only that but he didn't mention he had done it when the child had been taken to hospital.

Yeah, poor misguided man.

Yes, of course I'm not sure whether it was sexually motivated or not. But I can understand why some people might wonder... I mean why the hell would a man pull such a sick stunt as this? Questions do run through your head.
So why has the judge accused people who are confused about how a human being could have done this as being 'baseless' ???? It's so strange.

fu-cking-hell

I genuinely think that if this had been done to an animal it would have resulted in some kind of sentence. I have no idea why the judge decided it wasn't worth a sentence. Even if the man does have learning difficulties, surely some action should be taken to make sure he can't have access to vulnerable children, maybe even psychiatric hospital or something. Not being prejudiced against people with learning difficulties at all, but if your behaviour results in bodily harm to another human because of it, action should be taken for the protection of society

Actually, no-one looking after a baby has the right to try and avoid a dirty nappy. Everyone in the judicial system should know that.

Of course this bloke should have got a custodial sentence, I hope this is appealed.

There is a law which says that if you leave your child in the care of someone who is unfit to look after that child, then you can be prosecuted, so it is very unlikely that this man does have learning difficulties - you can bet your bottom dollar that the mother would have been prosecuted for allowing this man to look after him, if he had learning diffs. The report does not state if this man was the child's father or what his relationship to him is.

Exactly secunda.

Why on earth is he getting sympathy from the judge?

FFS.

I'm serious about a protest. The judge thinks this is ok. He's so far removed from the real lives of children that he doesn't probably even know what a baby is. I can imagine him thinking "AH, poor fellow; she upped and left you in the house alone, didn't she. What you did is understandable".
The baby would have been screaming.in.pain.

Sakura - certainly it would have hurt the baby as soon as he started to do it so how could he have carried on? I don't know how anyone could totally rule out a sexual/sadistic motivation

of course abusers are very often good at lying because they have to be to cover up so it seems perfectly possible someone could do this and then play innocent and make out they were very upset and sorry. Only you would hope a judge would be savvy about this.

seth, babies cry even when they're just a bit uncomfortable: hungry, wet or whatever. Its their survival instinct.
There's not doubt in my mind that this baby was screaming in pain. And it would have taken a while to get the baby wipe right up there in a three month old. Babies' bottoms are tiny.

I know Sakura.

sorry, I know you know. it sounded like I was trying to convince you, didn't it. I Mainly I'm just trying to convince myself that this is real.

That is one weird man .

He nearly caused the death of a child. he really should have gone to prison.

come on! Everyone knows that offenses against children or women arent really that serious and dont really deserve punishment...

oh I know you know I know!
I can't get my head round sadistic paedophilia, I really can't. I can't imagine finding babies sexually arousing in any way. I can't imagine finding hurting anyone arousing. It just won't compute in my brain. And yet we know that there are people who do. It's easier to just ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist and you do wonder if that was what the judge was doing.

OMFG

But having had a brush with silly snetencing this wek via the XH iof a good friend I am less than surprised.

So very wrong.

Oh WRt to a protest

you can email a dept can't you when a sentence is unduly lenient? Anyone know who and have an addy? I know we did it on MN before and many otehrs did too so it worked.

I would. happily.

Oh my God. Feel sick. WTF is going on in the world?! WHY IS HE NOT LOCKED UP?? It doesn't make a shred of difference whether it was sexual or not, he nearly killed the poor little mite.

I'm glad it's not just me - I was wondering this as well. How can someone possibly do something like this and get no punishment?

I have an idea. Let's lock up the judge overnight with this man and leave a tea towel in the room.

ffs. the law is an ass.

Can you imagine if a woman did that she'd be hung drawn and quartered.

there are so many things wrong with this, if we assume there was no sexual motive:

the fact he thought it was OK to stick anything (wipe, finger) up a tiny baby's bottom

the fact that rather than accepting nappy changes as a fact of looking after a baby he tried to effectively constipate the baby (which in itself would have made the baby ill)

the fact he didn't see fit to mention it when the baby was in hospital

FFS! What exactly would he have to do before he'd be locked up?

Oh yes I complained about the sentence given once, there is a process.

I can't remember what it is though

this case is atrocious, what he did was indefensible, and then not even saying when the child was very ill and went to the doctor and then to hospital FFS

Will try and remember who to complain to

"FFS! What exactly would he have to do before he'd be locked up?" If a woman had done this it would have ended in a hefty prison sentence.

here for the UK I don't know if it applies for scotland as well I'm afraid