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So free school meals for children of low income familes to be scraped

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ruckyrunt · 09/06/2010 21:52

and only if you live on unemployment benifit will your children get free school meals

Nothing like not giving any incentive to go back to work then.

This gives those people living on benifit another reason not to work and claim tax credits and working tax credits

it was proposed to give low income fmailies free school meals in junior school.

Its the children that suffer, the little mites do end up going hungry whilst money is spent elsewhere

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SanctiMoanyArse · 10/06/2010 15:56

DH's Uni lecturer asked him at iunterview if he would work, he said no (untrue but he's self employed so picks own hours IYSWIM)... they said in that case welcome to the courtse. they don't recruit working students, too high a drop out rate.

Students on SW and PGCE courses would find it almost impossible to work. SW students are expected to cover placements etc, and palcements mean shifts.

OTOH on my course it wouldn't have been an issue and most did.

It varies.

veritythebrave · 10/06/2010 16:00

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SanctiMoanyArse · 10/06/2010 16:03

Verity that's the same as here

Hang on.....

SanctiMoanyArse · 10/06/2010 16:05

'Free School Meals
Pupils of families in receipt of certain allowances / benefits are entitled to either a main meal free of charge or a selection from the snack bar service to the value of a main meal, also free of charge.

Who is eligible for Free School Meals?
Parents who are in receipt of:

?Income Support OR Income Based Job Seekers Allowance;
?Income Related Employment Support Allowance;
?2010/2011 Child Tax Credit (your annual income must be less than £16, 190 for the whole household);
?If you are receiving Working Tax Credit, you will NOT be eligible to receive free school meals;
?National Asylum Seekers Support Benefit;
?Guaranteed State Pension Credit;
Pupils entering Year 7 (starting secondary school) who are entitled to free school meals may also be entitled to a school uniform grant.

You only need to complete ONE application form for both free school meals and the year 7 school uniform grant.

Application forms for free school meals are available from all Newport Schools or you can download a PDF version below.
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IE if you have a job above 16 hours, even if self employed and not making a profit, you are not entitled.

veritythebrave · 10/06/2010 16:33

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SanctiMoanyArse · 10/06/2010 16:46

Similar to us verity. I think we're the loophole that was designed to be picked up- in the alst year DH has acquired an important qualifdication in his field, many skills, equipment.... all huge stepping stones worth a fortune- just not actually much cash yet.

expatinscotland · 10/06/2010 16:53

'You can work as a student but it is more difficult. You have to fit work around lectures. I did a science based course so had 30-40 hours of lectures per week and we frequently weren't finished until 9pm. This means you can only work p/t usually only weekends in a minimum wage job. If you don't earn enough to live you are not entitled to income support, unlike the rest of society,'

The rest of society is entitled to income support? No, actually, they are not. Lone parents of children under 7 might be, it's not a given, it depends on their means.

Ditto JSA. Some can collect contribution-based for 6 months if their NI contributions are recent enough and sufficient. There are plenty more who get nothing at all, particularly if they live iwth someone who is working.

Quite a few are entitled to nothing if they get a redundancy package, for example. They need to live off that till their assets dwindle. Or people who have a house with equity.

Income-based JSA and IS are means-tested.

Now, seeing as having to schedule work round university lectures, imagine what it's like for a lone parent having to schedule round childcare.

It's hardly letting kids go to the wall if they can't work round a uni schedule.

I think Litchick is right in that people here really have gotten used to expecting a lot.

But we can't afford it anymore, unless we want to start freezing old people in the dark or cutting HB and seeing people, working and not, evicted left and right.

Everyone is going to have to take a hit, even people who will pay capital gains tax for one reason or another (meaning they have something to sell).

That's going to be the way it is.

veritythebrave · 10/06/2010 16:58

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SanctiMoanyArse · 10/06/2010 17:03

That's a sahme verity; we are aware Dh is lucky to have been last.

Expat plenty of students are lone aprents juggling their degrees! My friend had 5 kids, no DP willing to help (he was around, but got his girlfriend solicitor to dig him out of paying up) and amnaged a dewgree; how on earth should she have worked as well?

how would a SW student required to work shifts and some weekend palcements even find a job?

Now most students should be bloody working, most courses are easy enough to work around.... but not all.

expatinscotland · 10/06/2010 17:18

Well, Sancty, what do you suggest? Because teh government cannot and is not going to continue to pay for things the way they are now.

Something has to be cut.

Lots has to be cut.

And it's going to suck for someone.

I don't know how she'd have worked, Sancty, but it's not a right to get a degree. Or have 5 kids.

And yes, we'll get how she had 5 kids whilst with a partner and earning £30K, partner left/got hit by a bus/etc.

Well, you know, everyone's got a personal story, a reason, what have you.

But we can't keep carrying on the way we are because XYZ and 'but this' or 'but that'.

So what do you suggest?

MissTrumpton · 10/06/2010 17:31

Single people can claim income support if they work less than 16 hours a week in a low paid job and have less than £16000 savings. Students who work less than 16 hours a week can't. If you are claiming IS then you can also claim housing benefit, which students can't. Single unemployed people, and some unemployed people where they live with an employed person can get income based JSA if they can't find a job. Students who have enough time to work f/t but who can't find a job can't claim income based or conmtribution based JSA.

I'm not advocating that all students should be financed to the hilt, but there is a discrepancy between young people working crappy p/t low paid jobs and not studying and young people working crappy p/t low paid jobs and studying.

MissTrumpton · 10/06/2010 17:35

Just worked out that a student loan is about £55 a week so I am a bit less incenced.

MissTrumpton · 10/06/2010 17:45

Although, you don't get your rent paid, like a low paid person who doesn't study . I still think that there is an imbalance.

MissTrumpton · 10/06/2010 17:46

Or get free school meals for your dcs.

SanctiMoanyArse · 10/06/2010 17:50

She was with a [partner LOl, but she tossed him out. No idea why.

What do I suggest?

maintaining existing loan system- you get to study (and friend is paying hers back) but you will pay. I am not advocating giving everyone random cash. I treat my student debt as an extra tax on the extra education I was lucky enough to receive.

As for saving money, i'd start with trident. then replace Cb with a universal fsm service as detailed either here or on parallel thread- pre school children would get a payment made through tax credits iof entitled at any lvel (CTC or TC at any amount); then we'd scrap teh entire admin system behind CB, cut the cost of FSM's as an addition to CB and manage to make sure the kids saw the benefit.

I'd make it impossible for dads to shirk avoiding paying for tehir kids without a guranteed prison sentence (if on benefits they would still contribute something)... tehreby promoting responsibility and helping to cut benefit bill at fatehr's expense.

I would pay half benefit for children conceived whilst on benefits after the second; enough to feed them, and rely on hand me downs, but less incentive.

I would offer a disocunt on a massive hike in CGT to landlords willing to accept HB tenants (minimum 2 years) , thereby dealing with housing issues at least in part as well (HB tenant could be made to pay insurance top up and deposit of curse)

I would introduce a voluntary charge for non means tested provision- for example, my boys may get a place on a council disability playscheme this year. if they do, Dh adn I woudl be happy to pay £5 each per session from their DLA; there is no system to allow us to do so.

I would pay CA in teh break over the summer for students to enable carers to get work well paid enough to get off benefits and paying taxes. let's face it, if your child needs a nanny 1-1, Asda ain;t gonna cut it.

I would cut CTF and even if at all possible ask people to consider voluntaruly returning their payments: I would, happily. I want money for food now, not lsoing value in a bank for the distant future. I would give H in P grants only to those on the usual qualifying benefits.

I would means test bus passes for pensioners by simply attaching eligibility to eligibility for pension credit to avoid thecosts of admin related to means testing specifically.

I'd be trawling through quangos and the management level of public services would be haled; I would be seriously looking at teh foreign office and halving ambassadors to non threat countries ( 30 to Americ a IIRC- do they not ahve telehones and internet there, then?)

Looking at all Government owned properties: last time I temped in a public service there were three of us in an office for 60. they could ahve easily sold teh block for ££££££ and bought somewhere a tenth of teh price.

Cut the law stopping people with degrees from receiving funding for college courses- a random degree that could never be used is no use to society whereas a qualification at NVQ3 saves loads if it gets someone in work, of benefits and paying tax absed on my inability to get funding for TA training for said reaon)

Cut teh law preventing some in HA and rented housing from working from home so tehy could work as childminders etc

Ban councils from sending crap newspapers / fridge magnets (!)- a copy in the library and on the internet is enough.

Ban random changes of name and expensiture on new logo's for public agencies- ours has just been compeltely redesigned at a cost of ££££. Why?

A good start anyway...... far from perfect but i don;t beleive in criticising if you don't have a solution

BelleDameSansMerci · 10/06/2010 17:55

Just one little point on the issue that some students seem to have with people who went to University before student loans, etc. There seems to be an assumption that everyone got a full grant which was not the case - they were means tested against parental income. The grant also did not cover all accommodation, etc.

Only around 5% of the population went to University when they left school at that time. I believe the percentage is rather higher now.

Please don't assume we all had some silverspoon treatment in the past as we didn't.

Not that I had the opportunity anyway - didn't matter how many A-Levels I got, it was made quite clear that I had to be out working and contributing to family...

LynetteScavo · 10/06/2010 17:56

Ronaldinhio - could we spend those child benefits on Boden?

SanctiMoanyArse · 10/06/2010 17:58

Delledame if you eman me, I accept your rationale: it was affordable tehn

I don;t mind that others may jabve got more, only that they feel free to crioticise without acknowledging that they have received (if they did) more, IYSWIM?

painitng students as a drain on society as one headline said today when you are already safely qualified is a bit unfair.

BelleDameSansMerci · 10/06/2010 18:04

Sancty (love the name) I wasn't really pointing the comment at anyone - it's a point I've seen made on other threads and thought I'd pick up on it here.

I don't think it's fair to colour students as a drain at all and completely agree that speaking from a position of privilege whether when safely qualified or very wealthy (or you're trying to guarantee your own job for five years!) is "off" for want of a better term.

Quite frankly, it'll be today's students who'll eventually make up a high number of higher rate tax payers so I think we should perhaps consider them a worthwhie investment.

BelleDameSansMerci · 10/06/2010 18:05

Sancti even - sorry!

SanctiMoanyArse · 10/06/2010 18:05

Oh and a flaw in my CB / FSm thing: people who lose all their income after having kids such as tocc.

So,, I would top up IS claims for qualifying kids (those born before claim or in first 2) by £10 per week

Children on half rate of IS get half rate £5. Not as a separate benefit, just an increase in rate, to protect genuine claimants but to reduce rewards for thsoe who are not.

SanctiMoanyArse · 10/06/2010 18:07

AQh Belledame- Sancti is a great name, but p eachy was easier to type, no? LOL

EnglandAllenPoe · 10/06/2010 18:12

how much are free school meals worth these days? i seem to remember getting a tokem for £1.30 at school - i can do a lunch more cheaply than that!

bread is 50p at Tescos

i can provide my kids with lunch more cheaply than the state - in a way it is v. ineficient way of ensuring children are adequately nutreated.

(i used to spend the £1.30 on chips, cookie, and canned drink, but then stoppd bothering as it was making me fat...)

sarah293 · 10/06/2010 18:14

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SanctiMoanyArse · 10/06/2010 18:20

£1.80 here