Should those who seek to take lives forfeit their 'Human Rights?'

[bubble99]

IMO the (alleged) failed suicide bombers should be treated in accordance with the terms set out by the Human Rights Commission (INHCR? UNIHCR?)until such time as they are found guilty or otherwise of their planned atrocities.

I don't want to enter into into an Iraq convo here. For the record though, I am disgusted that when Bush and Blair, killed and maimed innocent Iraqi civilians it was called 'Shock and Awe' or 'Liberation.' It's now happened here and if it transpired that one of the (alleged) failed suicide bombers had had his whole family wiped out in Iraq by an allied bomb (though from what I can tell none of them were Iraqis) I would be halfway to understanding his actions.

Anyway, I digress. If these men are found guilty of attempting to carry out mass murder, and thus denying other people of their right to live, I believe they should forfeit their rights to appeal under Human Rights Legislation. What do you think?

And I meant 'these people' in reference to the four or five failed suicide bombers.

Al Qaeda is not an organisation. It is an idea. It is far more frightening than an organisation. You can shoot or imprison the ringleaders of an entity. You can't shoot an idea. You have to fight it with better ideas.

bubble said "If these people revile our society and values so much how could they have lived amongst us for so long? Why should we, the people who have offered sanctuary and fed, clothed, educated, housed, medicated these people for so long be expected to make allowances for their actions and provide legal aid (at our expense) to defend them."

Of course she means the ones who've been arrested because they tried to blow up tubes etc - not a random bigoted any old "these people". That was unfair and unjustified, unicorn.

Seeing racism where none exists...FFS! No wonder we're in this mess!

Caligula. There was a mother and baby on the Shepherd's Bush train. That (alleged) failed suicide bomber stood next to them and took the decision to try and detonate his bomb. How can you defend his human rights when he so obviously tried to deny theirs. I cannot get my head around that. Jesus would have turned the other cheek, but he rose again, that mother and baby would have been six feet under if he'd succeeded.

I'm of the opinion if you take away a persons human rights (and their life) then you forfeit your own

"How can you defend his human rights when he so obviously tried to deny theirs."

How can you defend ANY murderers Human rights then???

Janh - I'm not attacking bubble - just the sentiments that lead to racism..

What has happened will/has undoubtedly opened the floodgates to the very many people who take offence to asylum seekers/ refugees, or anyone different.

So Eugenius - you believe that all criminals who've killed someone should lose their Human Rights?

Nope, SS. Anyone who seeks to kill others, thus denying them their right to live, automatically forfeits theirs. If the life of the person they want to kill is seen by them to be so worthless, why should theirs be respected?

So, what, Unicorn? Leap on anyone who says anything that isn't "let's pat these men on the head, poor misunderstood poppets"?

because bubble - if we don't show them what respecting Human Rights IS supposed to be like then we're no better than them! And we'd be hyprocrites as well!

no- lets just shoot them - then ask the questions.

criminals? I guess you're meaning killed with intent for gain? then yes!

of course there are people who kill in self defence but I wouldn't call them criminals

Because that's always what happens, Unicorn?!

"Criminals"

I mean anyone who's been found guilty of murder.

I think there's a serious misunderstanding of what human rights mean. At what stage do those who think human rights should only be rationed to certain human beings, think they should be withdrawn?

So how long should we 'turn the other cheek' for? How long should we be dignified and stoical in our sufferance for? Good idea! Let's teach them by example, let's allow them to blow us up and terrorise us, we'll defend their rights anyway, because it's the 'right' thing to do.

The long-term objective of 'these people' is an Islammic UK and ultimately an Islammic world. Let's not forget that.

"So how long should we 'turn the other cheek' for?"

Well if they're found guilty I doubt we're going to be letting them back out onto the street

Guilty until proven innocent?

(The Sun got it right didn't they!)

Human rights are a protection for a civilised society...

I think today's Sun was appalling...

We're not turning the other cheek. We're arresting them, "interrogating" them and then putting them into prison.

At what stage do those who don't believe human rights are every human being's right at all times, irrespective of their actions, think they should be withdrawn from certain human beings? And which ones? Just Islamic suicide bombers?

This site makes me want to be far more right-wing than I am sometimes...

God, I get accused of being a bleeding heart liberal in RL, but honestly, compared to some of you on here... Words fail me!

I hope that the alleged suicide bombers have been read a bedtime story and tucked in nice and tight tonight.