Should those who seek to take lives forfeit their 'Human Rights?'

[bubble99]

IMO the (alleged) failed suicide bombers should be treated in accordance with the terms set out by the Human Rights Commission (INHCR? UNIHCR?)until such time as they are found guilty or otherwise of their planned atrocities.

I don't want to enter into into an Iraq convo here. For the record though, I am disgusted that when Bush and Blair, killed and maimed innocent Iraqi civilians it was called 'Shock and Awe' or 'Liberation.' It's now happened here and if it transpired that one of the (alleged) failed suicide bombers had had his whole family wiped out in Iraq by an allied bomb (though from what I can tell none of them were Iraqis) I would be halfway to understanding his actions.

Anyway, I digress. If these men are found guilty of attempting to carry out mass murder, and thus denying other people of their right to live, I believe they should forfeit their rights to appeal under Human Rights Legislation. What do you think?

Definately the straight ones, don't want anything (allegedly) funny shaped within ten feet of me. Ooer! I've gone and got myself involved in a controversial thread haven't I?!

Never mind weaning spoons, I want to know what is going to be done about those people who go into a supermarket, with no concern for others , and eat a grape ( often unwashed and unpeeled) without paying for it.

I bet half these people are on benefits, as if they haven't drained our resources enough they have to steal our food too. I am sick of hearing from these namby pamby liberals that we need to understand their motives, lock them up throw away the key.

Ooh, oiled men in loin clothes, grapes and weaning spoons... this thread seems to have deteriorated inordinately quickly at the stroke of midnight!

I should be going to bed, when dp came home with a bottle of wine for me I think he was hoping it would arouse feeling of wanton lust within me, not result in me sitting on here typing waffle about loin clothes and grapes.

Now, can we have a few more details about the oiled men and their loin cloths please? I presume they'll all have showered, and none of them have beards (and will therefore never enter paradise and get to enjoy their 72 virgins)?

Can I have a drumroll please? I have just been involved in my first controversial thread on mnet! I don't think I've ever got further than expressing mild concern at a 'Parenting' decision before.

thrum thrum thrum thrum thrum .... etc.

Given up on the oilded men, I'm orf to bed! Goodnight Bubble, looks like we're the last ones left.

(That was a drum roll by the way, in case you didn't recognise it!)

night!

Picking up on a point made earlier about celebrating diversity at the expense of commonality. I work in a communications department for a local council and write various information leaflets. I also organise their translation.

I am constantly surprised at how few translation requests I get. A 30,000 distibution run usually results in just 4 or 5 translation requests from individuals (and this might mean the leaflet gets translated into 1 or 2 languages as two or more individual requests might be for the same language). Every leaflet carries a big translation request slip, written in about a dozen different languages to broadcast this service to all groups.

Humm - human rights abandoned - what do we mean by that? Removal of a right to practise a religion, torture, death - leave them to suffer and die? Would any of you personnaly be happy to over see this? Or do we expect that some un named member of our security services should have to do this behind closed doors.

My mum always used to advise me to kill my enemies with kindness and i think its a maxim that broadly applies here. We will not treat others as we have been treated. Do we really want to folow their example - to have basically learned something from terrorism!

Also don't you think that if we withdraw the human rights of these people we are developing a policy which would lead to further outrage and attacks, providing yet another excuse for extreemists to attack ?

What I read over the weekend is that the Madrassas in Pakistan were funded by - guess who? - yup, the US, who wanted a stream of radicalised young men who were sufficiently motivated to fight the Russians in Afghanistan.
Human rights? Who needs 'em. Let's force Iraqis to rape each other in Abu Graib prison. Great stuff. Let's set the dogs on them while they are naked. They didn't do anything? Hey, who cares!
And let's lock people up forever without trial in Guantanamo. Let's take our lessons in how to behave from Hitler and Stalin, they are such great role models aren't they.
After all, it's only 'them' who are being snatched from the streets at night and being 'rendered' to the vile cellars of the Syrian torturers to have their teeth pulled out, be multiply raped, be hung from the ceiling, repeatedly near drowned, have water poured into their lungs and be electrocuted. Doesn't it feel good to know all this is being done in our name? What a fantastic society.
But do remember, when human rights become an optional extra in society, you never quite know if it will be you next.

hear hear aloha

Rights are their for all of us should we find ourselves in a situation where we need them. It's easy to think of revoking them when you can't imagine doing anything so bad that you'd be in that situation. But as soon as the were gone, it wouldn't have to be much at all - standing on the street in a group larger than 5, say, or having a heated discussion on mumsnet which criticises the police or the government...

yes as long as they have got the right person
i never though i would here myself say that i pretty liberal i dont agree with the situatiuon at guantamo bay but the suicide bombers are a different level
suicide bombers and paedophiles/child killers should have minimal human rights as far as im concerned
sorry if this offends anyone .it would have offended me in the past but i have become world weary and cynical

still believe they have they right to a fair trial that goes without saying

But if they're convicted thats exactly what does happen.