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Terrifyingly anti-woman law passed in Oklahoma

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SethStarkaddersMum · 28/04/2010 11:45

I am absolutely at this.

A law has been passed in Oklahoma to force women who want abortion to undergo vaginal ultrasound and listen to a detailed description of the fetus and view the ultrasound image before terminating a pregnancy.
Even if they are rape or incest victims.

words absolutely fail me.

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toccatanfudge · 28/04/2010 17:22

and spider - I used to think pretty similar to you until I knew someone who actually had a backstreet abortion.........and then you realise that perhaps there is another take on the whole thing, especially when you discover it's so common that women knowingly put their own lives at risk (ironically one of the few legal reasons for abortion in Zimbabwe is that of the mothers life being at risk.....) because the feel so strongly that they can't bring a baby into the world.

abr1de · 28/04/2010 17:31

'Pro lifers think that even rape victims lose the right to terminate a pregnancy, saying otherwise is very hypocritical.'

Well class me with the hypocrits.

I wouldn't have had an abortion if I'd found myself pregnant with my husband. I'd have thought it was our own fault for being careless , which we never are. There's no excuse for being careless about using contraception--ever. If you are drunk and have unprotected sex you have been stupid. Sorry.

If I was raped I'd take the morning after pill. Immediately. In the hope that I'd catch the (possibly) fertilised egg before it implanted.

Still a mortal sin according to my religion, but one i could live with.

expatinscotland · 28/04/2010 17:33

'Perhaps then you also agree that mothers are perfectly entitled to smother their baby at birth if it's the 'wrong' sex?'

Actually, under UK law (excepting Northern Ireland), it's legal to terminate a disabled baby up until birth. So, if there's something 'wrong' with it, and no, it doesn't necessarily have to be something that is incompatible with life, you can terminate it for being, well, just 'wrong'.

lemonmuffin · 28/04/2010 17:34

agree with spidermama. Totally

expatinscotland · 28/04/2010 17:36

Unfortunately, too, and you can see that just by threads on here, all too often, women have abortions because their partner pressures them into it.

No, it should not be made illegal because of the risk of this happening, but it's sad because there's more of a risk of regret when a woman has an abortion for this reason.

toccatanfudge · 28/04/2010 17:36

"If I was raped I'd take the morning after pill. Immediately. In the hope that I'd catch the (possibly) fertilised egg before it implanted."

and if the morning after pill didn't stop a fertilized egg implanting - what then?

expatinscotland · 28/04/2010 17:38

I agree with Spidermama's points, too.

OtterInaSkoda · 28/04/2010 17:38

abr1de, quite apart from the fact that the morning after pill doesn't always work, do you honestly think that the punishment (carrying a pregnancy to term, bringing a baby into the world that you do not want, can't afford, are not in a fit state to look after) fits the crime of ballsing up one's contraception? Really?

APassionateWoman · 28/04/2010 17:39

I think the most recent stats show that in the UK less than 1% of abortions were carried out after 20 weeks. I think less than 10% are after 12 weeks?

Nobody would view aborting a foetus late in pregnancy lightly. Sit in judgement if you wish. I know I wouldn't dare judge any parent in that situation.

weegiemum · 28/04/2010 17:39

"There's no excuse for being careless about using contraception--ever."

Mmmm - hmmmmmm

So when my mirena coil failed I was being "careless".

Was I?

I can think of vanishingly small situations when I would have a TOP. Personally I think life begins at conception.

But I would fight passionately for a woman's right to choose that for herself.

abr1de · 28/04/2010 17:41

Well you patently weren't being careless were you, weegiemum? . You'd been responsible and it wasn't your fault.

And as I said, I believe in the right to choose.

Magaly · 28/04/2010 17:41

words fail me as well. how barbaric.

expatinscotland · 28/04/2010 17:43

'Nobody would view aborting a foetus late in pregnancy lightly. Sit in judgement if you wish. I know I wouldn't dare judge any parent in that situation.'

You seem to see 'judgement' in every single post that doesn't completely agree with you, APassion.

It's a fact, not a judgement, that it is legal to terminate for disability post 24 weeks.

APassionateWoman · 28/04/2010 17:43

For those that agree with Spidermama - what do you think should happen, then? Do you think abortion should be made illegal?

I honestly cannot understand how any intelligent person could think that this would be a sensible option.

Outlawing abortion DOES NOT WORK. It has failed as a method of enforcing the pro-life message EVERYWHERE. Women who want abortions will have them, legal or not. In fact, they do. Most of the world enforce these laws. Millions of women still have abortions every minute of every day. All you do by outlawing abortion is put the lives of these MILLIONS of women at risk.

FGS, it is not hard to comprehend, is it?

APassionateWoman · 28/04/2010 17:44

Yes, I am aware of the law@expatinscotland. Why are you quoting it?

posieparker · 28/04/2010 17:47

It's either a life or not, you can't say that the pregnancy caused by rape is a life worth less than an accident between a consenting couple. That makes no sense.

toccatanfudge · 28/04/2010 17:47

yep confirm that MAP doesn't always do it's job even when taken immediately after the deed (well a couple of hours later as soon as the Drs opened)

expatinscotland · 28/04/2010 17:47

Never did Spidermama say abortion should be illegal.

All she did was express sadness at its perception in the UK.

That's really not hard to understand from her posts, either.

expatinscotland · 28/04/2010 17:48

We're allowed to quote people on here as we place as long as we are not being defamatory.

Which I was not.

posieparker · 28/04/2010 17:48

When I had a TOP on the NHS I had an internal scan, the screen faced away and the wait was four weeks from wanting to having the TOP./

GetOrfMoiLand · 28/04/2010 17:49

Crikey Weegiemum another one whose Mirena failed.

When I told dr i had had a positive pregnancy test and had a mirena, he just looked at me and told me it was impossible.

APassionateWoman · 28/04/2010 17:50

She said she thought abortion should be made harder to access. Pretty much the same thing, in my opinion.

abr1de · 28/04/2010 17:56

'It's either a life or not, you can't say that the pregnancy caused by rape is a life worth less than an accident between a consenting couple. That makes no sense.'

It would be a very grave thing to do, I certainly agree that I would be taking an early form of human life. It is a situation that thankfully I think I will never have to face now as I am probably no longer fertile.

ilovemydogandmrobama · 28/04/2010 17:58

about law in Oklahoma

posieparker · 28/04/2010 17:59

I am pro choice btw.