Ian Huntley's throat slashed in prison

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i think its that they go well with beer tbh
they are served sliced in beer gardens.

salted

well actually being able to make links between peoples pasts and the way they go on to relate to and treat others can help us if not to solve but to prevent crimes. Sadly it's less of a crystal ball but more of a learning from the terible times that things go wrong. It also helps us when trying to help abused children.

I fear my paulaner pils related recolletcions are doing no good

jesus my typing is bad

I agree with Lionstar.

Beer and salted sliced radish would go down well right about now.

i want a radish now

See now if supermarkets were actually open 24hrs as they are in Scotland, we could have all run out and bought radishes.

Thank goodness we've got this thread onto a sane topic

I really want to try some radishes. Salted. With German beer. Next to the Danube. With a few teutonic males thrown in.

Unfortunately, of all the ingredients listed above, I can only manage the salt.

ok people can't cope with the topic.

Nah Ra, I can't cope without beer and radish. I blame that Su, I really do

There is a massive difference between finding out that many horrific abusers suffered horrific abuse in childhood, and assuming that any child who suffers such abuse will grow up to become a horrific abuser.

Do you think everyone who was sexually abused grows up to be a paedophile, purely becuase many paedophiles have also suffered sexual abuse??

You do a great disservice to victims of abuse who struggle to face and overcome their past ra29

Assuming that Baby P would have grown up to become a horrific abuser is really hitting at someone who cant defend themself. Im sure that was not your intention but your reasoning is very disturbing.

People from backgrounds of abuse struggle with what they carry and often seek help even before having children, to ensure they never go in that direction. Their lives are made worse by general assumptions that they "will grow up to be abusers" etc.

Honest request - give some real thought to what the implications of your reasoning are here.

Well clearly I said that not all abused children go on to abuse. That does not take away from the fact that those who do abuse have invariably suffered hideous abuse themselves. Sorry if you find that hard but it is reality.

What makes some able not to while others can only replay their experience is an important question.

I should never have come back to this thread.
I feel truly sick at the responses on here.

Ra29 your point about a proportion of abusers having been abused may be valid but your use of a poor murdered child and your go on guess type intro to your point is utterly inappropriate.

No I'm not denying that many of those who abuse have suffered abuse. Where do you think I said that?

Glad that you are acknowledging that "not all abused children go on to abuse" (not by a very long chalk)

But why on eath bring Baby P into it and make such a horrific assumption about him specifically?

Invariably?

I agree that it was not an appropriate, or indeed helpful, diversion...

The well-documented claim that abusers are abuse victims themselves is a complete myth. Some abusers will have been abused. So will some people who don't abuse others.
Most paedophiles are men, and heterosexual men at that. However, victims are both male and female, about equal in proportion. This goes into another argument about how men externalise behaviours and women internalise.
Most abused people are abused by members of their own family, family friends, or trusted adults.
What makes the IH story chilling is the way he lied about it, and how safety systems fail in the police and social services.

call me dumb but really struggling to see the connection here..how does 'ian huntleys throat slashed in prison' have anything whatsoever to do with what baby P would have turned into had he made it to adult hood?

You would need to see ra29s post at 2158 kkfairy.

Most of us are struggling to make the connection too. IMO thats because there is no connection to be made.

KK, I agree, terrible that baby P and how he would have been as a man has been compared to IH, just awful.

I agree with lionstar as well. It is hard to feel a shred of sympathy for a cold blooded murderer like Huntley and I loathe him as much as the next person; however, him being attacked by a rapist does not make me feel any better. Why would it? are people saying rapists are a little bit nicer than child murderers? prisoners attack other prisoners for kudos and nothing else; that rapist is the daddy now - you think he did it to be public spirited or because he feels indignant at the prospect of mixing with people of Huntley's moral code? get real. plus in some cases prison officers are corrupt and allow it to happen or take a bung for it. All this means is that he will be even better protected in the future and that our prison system is faulty.

No effective justice system can ever be based on emotion or revenge. It must be based on reason. Hence it is pointless to say things like 'how would you feel if your child was murdered'? - obviously I'd feel deranged with grief and horror and would be the worst possible person to make a level headed judgment about something like this.

All seems rather strange.

Presumably if we (as a country) thought he was better off dead then we should be voting in the death penalty rather than putting him inside and hoping that some guy with a sharpened toothbrush does it for us.

I'd just like to say that I live a few miles from Soham and have met Kevin and Nicola Wells on a few occasions - they came to a dance class I attend for a few months about 3 or 4 years ago. They are lovely, normal people like you and me who are trying to come to terms with the horrific loss of their child - as are Jessica Champman's parents.

My thoughts are with THEM and their families today for having everything dragged back up by the media.

Did we need to know what had happened to Huntley? It can't of been that serious as he is back in the prison, so why waste the paper the story is printed on. He should just be left to rot.

Well said CaveMum. I read Kevins book. I was very moved by it and the way that he and Nicola handled everything.