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Times article about Mumsnet's evil streak

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NorkyButNice · 14/02/2010 07:54

I wonder which former devotee wrote this?

No such thing as bad publicity? Or does it make us look like a bunch of beeeatches?

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AitchTwoOhOneOh · 14/02/2010 22:11

what's happened to dd, mp? is she okay?

squeaver · 14/02/2010 22:12

Cannot be bothered to read 300+ posts on this same old same old.

The one thing this piece proves is that "I'm on Mumsnet you know, and let me tell you..." must be the piss-easiest sell for every freelance journalist going at the moment.

morningpaper · 14/02/2010 22:13

see here aitch

MmeLindt · 14/02/2010 22:14

Aitch
Am I remembering correctly that you were a bit of an expert on trapped wind after CS? There is a thread in Childbirth asking for advice.

TheShriekingHarpy · 14/02/2010 22:15

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bundle · 14/02/2010 22:20

ooh foxinsocks, sorry had only popped in for a mo I'm fine, and you?

AitchTwoOhOneOh · 14/02/2010 22:23

och, mp, that's a poor show.

will go looking for the thread, thanks mmelindt. such a painful thing.

FioFio · 15/02/2010 10:44

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ForestFire · 15/02/2010 10:47

bundoid
hola
saw your number in me phone the other day and thought aha

foxinsocks · 15/02/2010 13:35

ooooooooooooooooh fio too ;-)

I'm fine thanks bundle x. Nice to see you around.

piscesmoon · 15/02/2010 13:46

I think that there is a lot of value in having a site where you can say what you really think. If people choose their threads with care they can get very useful and sympathetic advice. If they post on somewhere like AIBU they are settling themselves up for people having the opposite view. I don't think it does people any harm to have their ideas challenged.

Spoof · 15/02/2010 14:20

"By Methusalah Sun 14-Feb-10 12:31:04
There are some people on here who are in danger of beleiving their own publicity, as in they think they matter and because they perceive themselves as mattering and having tenure that their opinions count. Tenure doesn't count for Jack.

This is a business and fairs dues to Justine and Carrie for making it work "

I agree. I think bonsoir has made some salient points too.

HelenMumsnet · 15/02/2010 15:36

Hello.

Coming back, as promised, to frakkin and Bonsoir to say that we have now opened the haiku comp up to Mumsnetters outside the UK too - see here for all the juicy details.

Bonsoir · 15/02/2010 16:56

Helen - thank you

Sadly, I cannot make March 2, as we have an all important school admissions interview here in Paris! But I might try my hand at a Haiku anyway, just for goodwill!

HelenMumsnet · 15/02/2010 16:59

Look forward to it, Bonsoir - will you do one in French? G'wan!

Bonne chance with the interview...

Bonsoir · 15/02/2010 17:01

I was already thinking that my skiing seasonal word could be vin chocolat chaud

sarah293 · 16/02/2010 09:14

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frakkinaround · 16/02/2010 09:48

Thank you!!!!!

JustineMumsnet · 16/02/2010 10:19

Hello all,
Sorry am late to this - am logging in from on hols - knew it was a mistake to turn my phone on grin.

Anyway couple of things to clarify.
First, as Helen said, we knew nothing of this article. I was quite surprised because Isabel Oakshott the journo in question had been in touch about our miscarriage campaign, as it's an issue she indicated that was close to her heart. She said she wanted to do anything she could to support the campaign and I dropped her a line only last week to update her on the fact that we're going in to discuss our code of practice with Andy Burnham and the Chief Nurse next week with a view to getting some or all of it adopted. She seemed thrilled.

So when I finally got a phone connection last night and logged on and saw the piece I was, as you can imagine a little hurt on all our behalves. I'm surprised tbh that she hadn't dropped me about it. But of course everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Bonsoir people use archive pix all the time - doesn't mean a fig about cooperation. We really don't need to court press - we don't and never have had a pr person or agency or team. It's pretty much me who the fields calls and I've not the time nor the expertise to spin things. That said we are usually happy to cooperate with quotes and interviews because, as I've said elsewhere we are happy to spread the MN word - we want newbies. At the moment it seems we are the story du jour - it's become a sureal tbh so we are turning down some interview requests. But as I've said a few times, I doubt it will last beyond May.

Secondly, Atlantis I think, mentioned something about us being politically aligned at MNHQ. That's just not the case and I can't see where that argument comes from? We are scrupulous about not taking sides in interview and offering the same level of guidance and support during webchats etc to all sides. We had Sarah Brown on but we'd be pleased to have Samantha Cameron too and have extended an invite. The Tories have announced they'll diseminate info to new parents via MN if they win, Labour are looking at our miscarriage code of practice. We try very hard to keep our personal politics out of it. In fact we see them as an irrelevance. When interviewers have asked how I'll vote that's what I say - it's irrelevant. From polling it's obvious that there's a left of centre bent amongst Mumsnet users compared to the country but as I've said a few times on radio, the idea that there's some kind of block MN vote is ludicrous.

We're sorry we can't extend a general offer to our 10th birthday party - there's just too many of you. If Wembley stadium was available we would! And as you know we have always tried to avoid elevating any posters above any others so picking particular posters above others would be anathema, however much we love you as individuals. But it would be unthinkable to have no Mumsnetters there, so we thought we'd put our efforts into a really great comp prize for entry (london hotel, partners, outfits dinner etc) and to get someone else to do the judging (we were tickled pink that Carol Ann Duffy said yes).

On the guest list are MN contributers and staff, webchattees, various politicians and those who've helped us on our way over 10 years and that includes quite a few journalists who, contrary to current trends, have written lovely articles about MN.

Finally, just a word about the premise of the article that MN has got bitchier and that we at HQ are somehow complicit because we did a gag about rockets.

Well it's quite a common theme over the years tbh. That MN is meaner, feistier, bitchier than it was. It is a site that was characterised by the description "Love and knuckles" many moons ago. Mumsnetters are opinionated, smart and we have always encouraged debate. We don't tend to delete things that can be viewed as unsupportive because they offer a contrary opinion to the OP - we accept that that is a different stance to many sites but twas ever thus.

Of course there's a fine line between telling it how it is and being unkind and no doubt sometimes folks overstep that line. The very best thing to do if you think that's happening more often these days is to report it. Our rules/philosophy hasn't changed. We delete personal attacks and don't allow bullying - our aim is to make parents' lives easier - but we can't and don't keep an eye out, so if you sympathise with Isabel Oakshott's opinion and want to rectify things - then report them. An essentially self-policing system only really works well if lots of folks are doing the policing.

Maybe we shouldn't have done the origami rocket - seemed a giggle at the time but of course like the Boden dress code followed by a wink on the invite - jokes that have to be explained are not necessarily the best jokes... Anyway I must return to family before dh combusts. Have a lovely week all.

Cyb · 16/02/2010 10:21
Doodlez · 16/02/2010 10:34

I read that article in bed last night. Two things struck me....

  1. How defensive it made me feel about MN. I hated seeing the site bad-mouthed and I was surprised by this feeling / reaction.

  2. The journo says she's had great advice and support over her time here, through what sounds like some terrible, terrible times. And yet she's publicly bitten the hand that was extended so willingly to her.

ALL the GOOD just gets lost in stupid articles like this. And the JSP one. All those people, taking time out and sharing all that positive, beautiful, kindness just get swept aside

GrimmaTheNome · 16/02/2010 10:42

I don't like bullying. So I was quite upset by that piece, castigating individuals (by their nicknames, but thats who they are on MN) in a national newspaper where they have no means to reply. It left a nasty taste in my mouth, as hypocrisy is wont to do.

Sorry, but it was just a mean way of filling column inches.

Kaloki · 16/02/2010 12:22

"Well it's quite a common theme over the years tbh. That MN is meaner, feistier, bitchier than it was. It is a site that was characterised by the description "Love and knuckles" many moons ago. Mumsnetters are opinionated, smart and we have always encouraged debate. We don't tend to delete things that can be viewed as unsupportive because they offer a contrary opinion to the OP - we accept that that is a different stance to many sites but twas ever thus."

I think that this is the reason most people come here. And I have a lot of respect for you for doing it this way, running a forum is hard work trying to keep the balance between too hard on moderating and too soft. I think people forget that.

LeninGrad · 16/02/2010 12:49

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Oblomov · 16/02/2010 12:56

I think she has some very valid points. Mn has been a saviour to me many many times, with love support and good advcie. But there are parts of MN that I hate. I hate the direction Justine and the others are taking it in. Allowing our posts to be printed was a big mistake. High profile with PM's and other politicians - we did ourselves a total injustice and made ourselves look like stupid mothers with our silly biscuit questions. The swearing is too much. There is a nasty streak. The support to lost ones and Mc continues to be fab. But it is just getting to be an embarrassment. I could never tell anyone that I MN, now. I'm to ashamed to be associated with it.
Yet there are so many fab fab bits. I do love it. Don't get me wrong. But the bad bits are really bad.

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