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John Terry sacked as England Captain

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FabIsGoingToBeFabIn2010 · 05/02/2010 17:36

I am really pleased Fabio has sacked him and a bit surprised to be honest as I thought he wouldn't when he said he would make his decision based on what was best for the team.

I really hope his wife kicks him out as well.

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EldritchCleaver · 07/02/2010 19:15

Oblomov,
Can't comment on the insider info but I think you may be right about there being more to come out. Thing is, we don't know what Capello knows, and actually we don't really know why he sacked JT, we can only surmise.

From the recent stories even if only half true, there is a sense JT is on the slide off the pitch as well as on, not in control, not surrounded by the soundest advisers etc etc.

I suspect that it isn't a moral decision (nor should it be, really) but a pragmatic one. Capello strikes me as a fairly ruthless pragmatist. I doubt he'd be swayed by a British tabloid-inspired moral panic, except if he thought it had badly affected the player.

As to Rio, his major troubles appear to be in the past and he has the football pedigree to lead.

Oblomov · 07/02/2010 19:55

no tiff. fraud is minor compared to this. this is career killing. glad i don't have daughters.

AnyFucker · 07/02/2010 20:02

erm, I wil get shot down for this

but I think Rooney has the cleanest blame-sheet in recent years

the granny-shagging was several years ago...and he is a consistently good, strong player

I say Rooney

EldritchCleaver · 07/02/2010 20:06

Rooney has a dodgy temperament though. He gets the red mist. Can't have that in a captain.

GypsyMoth · 07/02/2010 20:06

Oblomov.....is your DH employed at Chelsea? Well we know Terry has an eye for the ladies, but girls?? I'm starting to feel uncomfortable now

daftpunk · 07/02/2010 20:08

Rooney... Too temperamental.....and no leadership qualities.

Although I haven't stopped laughing since hearing Rio is new England captain.

AnyFucker · 07/02/2010 20:08

I know eldritch, but it seems he is getting it more under control

at least he don't seem to shag around these days and bring his team into ill-repute

HerBeatitude · 07/02/2010 20:09

I also don't get why it was any of Wayne Bridge's business who his ex was shagging. She wasn't his partner at the time, she was his ex. Interesting that a lot of the comment has all been about how Terry transgressed that "ownership" boundary, having a go at a team-mate's woman. Like men automatically own women for all time once they've fucked them. Revolting mysogynist reporting in all this, IMO.

GypsyMoth · 07/02/2010 20:13

Rooney is too volatile. Can't see him being a realistic captain, but CAN seeing him being carded .

northender · 07/02/2010 20:14

As I understood it WB split up from his gf in December so they were still officially together when she and JT were at it.

IsThatTheTime · 07/02/2010 20:27

IMHO he is getting terrible advice. I'm no PR wiz but I thought the way it worked nowadays for celebrity misdemeanours was that you did a deal with the papers (or rather got someone like Max Clifford to do it), you cooperate with them and do an exclusive on the milder side of whatever's about to come out along the lines of "My (whatever) hell" with some pics of you looking glum, they get their exclusive on the milder stuff while they agree to be gagged on the heavier career-ruining stuff. Everyone's happy (!). The super-injunction was a terrible move as it's just heightened everyone's interest in it.
Having said that (and on a purely theoretical basis obviously) HerBeatitude you are absolutely right but it does sound like there's more than meets the eye and Oblomov your stuff sounds v worrying.

AnyFucker · 07/02/2010 20:41

I got the impression also, that the "lady" in question was Wayne Bridge's ex, but that they were still together while John Terry was doing-the-do with her

AnyFucker · 07/02/2010 20:44

I really dunno why ^she6 isn't getting more vilied, at least equally to John Terry...her morals seem dubious to say the least

and John Terry's wife seems so sidelined by all this

although, by her actions which seem to be to keep forgiving him for his sexually-incontinent behaviour, she is kinda making a rod for her own back (the silly moo)

I just don't understand why JT's wife doesn't just fuck off with half of his money

AnyFucker · 07/02/2010 20:46

oh ffs, my typing

dunno why she isn't getting more vilified

sorry folks, must be irritating to read my crap

HerBeatitude · 07/02/2010 20:50

I thought they had an affair in the wake of her break up with Wayne Bridges? Terry providing the shoulder to cry on ?

AnyFucker · 07/02/2010 20:51

oh yuk

GypsyMoth · 07/02/2010 20:52

think it's because he has an important job to do with world cup this year.......she's nothing important, but he DID have alot of responsibility.

I'm still worrying about omblomovs posts, feel very different about the whole thing now...... And we are BIG blues supporters in this house.

Stinkermink · 07/02/2010 20:59

Surely the saddest outcome of all of this sordid sorry mess is that JT's private life has been left open for his children to google in the future. Not advocating secrecy at all, but really would Mrs Terry forgive all(and Mrs Beckham, and Mrs Woods) really forgive all these misdemeanours if their husbands were just in normal jobs? Would they even be with them in the first place? Would these "sportsmen" even have the opportunity to commit adultery if they had normal run of the mill jobs?
It's all crazy... their poor children will pay the price in the long run.

AnyFucker · 07/02/2010 21:03

I go back to my original premise

what do these wives see in their millionaire footballers ????

and the predatory hangers-on ?

Stinkermink · 07/02/2010 21:07

Abso-fucking-lutely......worth hanging on for.....

PrincessFiorimonde · 07/02/2010 21:07

Why all the fuss?

tbh, does the captain of a football team make that much difference on the field? Isn't it more of an honorific position?

Please compare the role of a rugby or cricket captain in terms of actual effect /strategy on the field ...

preggersplayspop · 07/02/2010 21:12

Fabio wouldn't talk to anyone about the JT issue when he was at the Euro draw. From the FAs statement I think they tried to make it clear he made the decision for 'footballing reasons', so whatever info he knows (and I would imagine he knows a whole lot more than is in the press) he judged that it would affect team morale and JTs standing in the team. From that standpoint its pretty irrelevant whether Rio has things in his background that wouldn't make him an ideal role model either, as long as they don't affect the team. The JT issue must have been judged to be divisive whereas drink driving/missed drugs test/roasting videos etc are not.

I think it would have looked a bit weird if Fabio hadn't promoted Rio since he was already vice captain. I do wish we had someone who was a great player, first choice for the team AND was more squeaky clean though!

JTs big mistakes were being arrogant enough to look for a super injunction when the tabloids are pissed off about potentially being gagged and secondly being even more arrogant enough to not come out with a statement expressing contrition and not offering at least to resign as captain.

Max Clifford makes even more money keeping stories out of the press than he does getting them in. It does look like that JT trumped whatever the papers were prepared to pay her for an exclusive.

EldritchCleaver · 07/02/2010 21:12

Super-injunctions do work if you do them properly, and very many have. The full judgment makes vair interesting reading.

The usual has happened though-concentrate on and vilify the women, even the wife (blimey, what's she done to anyone?) Meanwhile, the men carry on doing the nasty things they do. That's the way they play it with the media, who ultimately don't have any moral position at all.

We should look past Peroncel and her ilk at the behaviour of these men, their agents, clubs enablers etc. Bleurgh.

HerBeatitude · 07/02/2010 21:15

I'm not sure if going for a super injunction was JT's biggest mistake, I think someone must have advised him that there was a pretty good chance of him getting it for him to bother.

Which makes me wonder who else in politics, entertainment, sport etc., might have super injunctions to protect their private lives/ frauds.

Stinkermink · 07/02/2010 21:17

It's not the strategy or the ability that's the issue. It's the fact that their off field life style is so widely reported and made into normality that is the issue. Not everyone comes from normal happy rounded homelife backgrounds and can distinguish the difference. These sportsmen are wealthy and influential that's the problem.

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