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BUSH "we will find and deal with the perpetrators" Is this going to mean another war??

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sharklet · 07/07/2005 13:41

Was just watching President Bush at G8 making a statement about the attacks on London saying he was standing by Tony Blair and that the US Gov would seek out and deal with the perpetrators.

Last time Bush was saying stuff like this it was afghanistan and then Iraq. Its got me worried now. DH is in the US Airforce based in the UK. Their alert status has just gone up. They have locked down the base and he not coming home tonight be the looks of it.

Amm really scared this will have long term repurcussions as well as the horror of today.

Emma

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munz · 11/07/2005 10:25

I still wanna know why bush won't do soemthing about africa but he'll do something about iraq when honestly is there much differnece between the way the two governments are to their ppl.

(only difference I see is one is rich with oil the otehr isint, inciently my DH tells me the US were going to call it Operation Iraqi Liberation (oil) but for obvious reasons didn't)

HappyDaddy · 11/07/2005 10:27

Munz, the same reasons Blair won't either. Though it's baffling why he got involved to help the white displaced farmers but has turned his back now the black farmers are being attacked.

ruty · 11/07/2005 10:29

i really believed in Blair in 97. I don't understand what has happened to him. Does power corrupt, always, without exception?

HappyDaddy · 11/07/2005 10:31

I believed in him and to an extent, still do. I believe he really believes that what he's doing is right. I'm just confused as to why he gets involved in some things but not others that seem just as important.

piffle · 11/07/2005 10:32

doesn't intelligence maintain that the perpetrator were most probably British born?
Go figure.... how does Bush seek to sort that conundrum out.
Oh well next best thing invent some link to Iran.
My guess, personally I do not think TB will align against Iran with our forces, if so I will be devastated as a voter and a member of a democracy.

piffle · 11/07/2005 10:34

cynically Botswana (which has diamonds) has a large US interest, where the wealth has not filtered down and all the golf courses and posh hotels are filled with BMW's
Makes you sick to the core....

munz · 11/07/2005 10:43

that's what I mean why take out some and not other? I don't understand, from how DH is talking Korea is gonna be the next place to kick off - I sincerly hope it doesn't thou cos I really don't want him to go out there.

HappyDaddy · 11/07/2005 10:44

I doubt North Korea will kick off, myself. They already told Bush that if he wanted them to stop making nuclear weapons hed have to send an army to do it. He can't bully Korea so I doubt he'll invade.

munz · 11/07/2005 10:49

I don't know I honestly don't, why does there have to be all this evil in the world? I don't understand why everyone can't accept we're all differnt and leave it be - althou yes that's niave and yes it's never gonna happen.

HappyDaddy · 11/07/2005 10:56

Greed always seems to corrupt.

monkeytrousers · 11/07/2005 11:11

Y'all need to check out my conspiracy theory...

Can't work out how to do the link thing but it's in 'chat' if you want to have a squiz.

ps - anyone want to give me a hyperlink tutorial??

monkeytrousers · 11/07/2005 13:04

www.mumsnet.com/Talk?topicid=1375&threadid=90355

monkeytrousers · 11/07/2005 13:04

Doh!

Papillon · 11/07/2005 13:07

you forgot this bit \link{ ...and this bit \this}

but your website address in the middle loike a sandwich

monkeytrousers · 11/07/2005 13:19

this

monkeytrousers · 11/07/2005 13:19

Aha!!!! Thanks!

Papillon · 11/07/2005 13:24

Which sounds like a thunderclap in Scotland Yards ear

The War on Terror (if someone has not already mentioned) is still ongoing - so it won´t be a new war.

ChaCha · 11/07/2005 13:38

Hmmm..wasn't sure where to post this but decided here would be best. I'd appreciate it if you'd all take a few minutes to read the following article written by a renowned American Islamic Scholar.

The Roads to Peace

The roads to peace are paths of war,
The gentle dove will leave her scar.

The moral men to say the least,
Will kill us all to get their peace.

The roads that lead to victories gained,
Are filled with people full of pain.

Only our Creator knew,
We?d kill so many to save so few.

The recent terrorist tragedy in London is disheartening. Once again some nefarious force has seen fit to totally disregard innocent human life in pursuit of a vile agenda that few of us know and even fewer could understand. The response of the world leaders assembled in Edinburgh for the G-8 Summit is perhaps more disheartening, as it promises more of the misguided policies that have proven so ineffective in prosecuting the war on terror. The leaders of the Western powers continue
to imply that they will fight violence with more violence of their own. If current events are any
indicator of future developments, such a policy will only serve to beget yet more terrorism.

This is a war being guided on both sides by self-righteous hypocrites whose motives and
proclamations mirror each other. Each side sees God as being exclusively with them. That being the case, the restraint and judiciousness urged by Christian and Islamic theology to guide the
execution of war is cast aside with wanton impunity. Each side manipulates a vulnerable public to create a climate that allows for the perpetuation and the inevitable escalation of the ongoing slaughter. Each side reserves the right to use the spectacle of indiscriminate violence to ?Shock and Awe? the opposition, yet will deny that its tactics can be described as terrorism. Each side sees their civilian population as hapless, innocent victims, while the suffering innocent civilians on the other side are acceptable collateral damage.

There will never be any real progress in ending this terror war, until we realize that we have all become collateral damage, unacceptable collateral damage. That being the case, there is no they or we in this affair. We are they and they are we. When a child in New York never sees his mother again because she was crushed in a collapsed tower at the World Trade Center, we all have suffered an irreplaceable loss. When an impoverished family in Afghanistan is bombed from the face of the Earth by a misguided missile, something of our collective humanity is destroyed by the blast. When a child in Iraq is born with gross birth defects due to his mother?s exposure to depleted uranium,
we have all been deformed. When London commuters fear ever again entering the underground, because
of the ill-advised actions of a handful of desperate fanatics, their insecurity touches us all.

We, the collaterally damaged, will continue to exist in a state of dehumanizing loss, deformity,
and insecurity until we rise up, unite, and refuse to support at any level the policies of leaders who continually fail to heed one of the surest of all political lessons: killing innocent
civilians will never lead to a positive outcome for the transgressing party. This realization is
the first meaningful salvo anyone could fire in a real war on terror. However, as long as we are
not as moved by the suffering of innocent civilians anywhere as we are by the suffering of those close to us, it will be a salvo that remains unfired.

ruty · 11/07/2005 14:32

But what can we do ChaCha? The majority of people in this country were against going to war in Iraq.
I feel just as much despair for every Iraqi or Palestinian killed [and Israeli] as
I do for every British person killed in London. We did not want this war.

sharklet · 11/07/2005 16:14

Cha Cha - thats very true. Sadly there are many aggressive people out there who have forgotten how to love and how destructive hate it. The old two wrongs don't make a right is a mantra to live by I feel - yet Bush seems to go the other way for the eye for an eye approach - as do the followers of Bin Laden. There will never be an end to this until we allow to live and let live.

I can't see it happening anytime soon. Its not as though there have ever been any negotiations to make or anything with these people they seem to exist to hate us and want to destroy us simply for exiating in another religious and social dimension to thiers. I feel they have lost thier own religion too as Islam does not allow for murder of this kind. It is a reasonable peaceful religion. Although different from christianity in many ways it shares many of the same aspirations. I think its important for us all to club together and concentrate on the ties and similarities that bind us. We're all victims of this - collateral damage as Cha Cha's post puts it - but we need not allow it to knock us. We need to learn from it and become as an inclusive socitey stronger.

Emma
xxx

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