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DAILY MAIL: "Ex-soldier, 41, who had sex with 13-year-old girl spared jail as woman judge says teenager 'did most of the running'."

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mrwahwah · 08/01/2010 18:52

The Daily Mail have done it again, but this time I feel obliged to comment on their awfulness. This article is frankly shocking: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1241635/Soldier-41-sex-girl-13-spared-jail-woman-judge-says- did-running.html?ITO=1490

The Judge in this case has a lot to answer for, but it was the Daily Mail who had the nerve to refer to the poor child as a 'Lolita' girl.

Watcha think?

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onagar · 08/01/2010 21:49

If there was reason to believe he had been fooled by a 13 yo pretending to be 16 that could be different (that's why we have judges for the tricky cases), but he knew in advance so the judge is quite mad and should be sacked.

Garrylous · 08/01/2010 21:49
mrwahwah · 08/01/2010 23:48

Judge Mary-Jane Mowat concerns me. I have done a quick trawl of the interweb and found a couple of cases where she passed dubious judgements and seemed to have made ill-advised comments:

In September 2008, while sentencing a man to four years imprisonment, of which he would only have to serve two, "if he behaved himself" she said, ?This was a classic case of an adult grooming and seducing a girl over a number of months. She was eight and nine years? old when it occurred. This was a case of genuine affection and attention to the child. It may well be he cannot help the way he was made. The important thing is self control.?

That same month, she also found that a former headteacher accused of having 8000 indecent images of children on his computer was not guilty of any offences. As reported in The Telegraph at the time, "she said his case was 'wholly exceptional' because it was clear the pills he was taking had caused his hypersexuality. She went on to reject a prosecution appeal that Carmichael should at least be put under supervision before leaving court. Judge Mowat said: 'To say that he was to blame would be a complete denial of the reality of the evidence that I see.' She added that she did not consider Carmichael was at risk of re-offending or that it was necessary to ban him from working with children as his medical condition prevented him from doing so."

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mrwahwah · 08/01/2010 23:55

Thanks for the draft letter, StayFrosty. I've sent mine.

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dittany · 08/01/2010 23:56

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Garrylous · 09/01/2010 10:13

doesnt she?

SixtyFootDoll · 09/01/2010 10:18

I work In child protection and never cease to be amazed at how Judges' perecptions of child sexual abuse are so different from ine and the public at large.
I have no faith in sentencing, in cases I have dealt with it is alays far less than i anticipate.

StayFrosty · 09/01/2010 10:31

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SixtyFootDoll · 09/01/2010 11:54

WE had a running 'joke' in our office, that you get a stiffer sentence for harming animals than children.
Unfortunately appears to be true.

LittleWhiteWolf · 09/01/2010 12:43

Statistically sex offenders are the most likely reoffenders, IMO because they require a lot more 're-programming' to stop believing women deserve what they get etc. How hard is it to draft legislation for every sex offender to get an automatic prison sentence. The punishment for murder is automatic life. That makes sense.
Punishments for sex offenders make no sense whatsoever.

ItsGrimUpNorth · 09/01/2010 14:10

Can everyone write to the Attorney General about this?

Paedophiles cannot get away with this and nor can judges who evidently have the greatest of sympathy for paedophiles.

ItsGrimUpNorth · 09/01/2010 14:12

And Judge Mowat would really appear to have every sympathy for paedophiles.

Look at this

edam · 09/01/2010 14:23

The woman's a danger to the justice system.

ItsGrimUpNorth · 09/01/2010 14:33

Email the Attorney General. I've just done it using the template offered below. It takes five minutes.

I've also mentioned that Judge Mowat appears to have a history of sympathising with paedophiles.

TheCrackFox · 09/01/2010 14:37

Have emailed the Attorney General.

ItsGrimUpNorth - that link you did is horrifying - she didn't even put him under a supervision order . IMO she should have been sacked long ago.

FairyMum · 09/01/2010 21:03

OMG this is shocking.

brettgirl2 · 09/01/2010 22:17

Jeez. It's ok for a middle aged man to have sex with a 13 year old as long as she is 'disturbed'.

The judge needs sacking.

StewieGriffinsMom · 11/01/2010 14:54

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MisSalLaneous · 11/01/2010 16:58

I've had the same reply as StewieGriffinsMom.

Hopefully his sentence will be appealed. It does not send the right message at all, and not only is this girl let down, but many more will be treated the same way if this is allowed.

ItsGrimUpNorth · 11/01/2010 20:47

I got the same reply too. Was just about to c+p here.

Well, let's hope some good comes of it. I hope it highights that judge's apparent inability to regard paedophiles as culpable for their crimes.

AnAuntieNotAMum · 11/01/2010 23:57

and sympathy for rapists too...

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/husbands-fury-at-early-release-plan-for-rapist-653687.html

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