The BNP's Nick Griffin on Question Time, what are your thoughts?

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it's a fascinating subject...i have read Mein Kampf...i think most people should....(if you're interested in Hitler)

there will always be people like him..

Robert Mugabe springs to mind....

I think the BBC is quite correct to have him on QT.

Especially given the timing of the Generals' protest against BNP using WW2 imagery. Did anyone hear Simon Weston on the radio today? I'd love to see him face to face with NG.

I hope that giving him airtime will allow people to see what a vile individual he is and what a bunch of idiots he represents. I noticed that on the lunchtime news today on r4 he couldn't quite stop himself from calling prisoners 'vermin'. he got himself into all sorts of tangles trying to talk about the Gurkhas; I do hope they bring that up on the show too: should do wonders for his popularity.

I am old enough to remember the NF marching through London in the 70s and they were scary; marching down the Embankment shouting 'Siegheil' and doing nazi salutes. . I'm as white as they come, so I can only imagine what it must be like for someone who's on their idiotic list of 'undesirables'.

The newshopper thing was very interesting, and I think it's great how the paper handled it (front page, big expose etc).

The BNP guy involved, Paul Golding - I had professional experience of him, and his family, when he was young. Very well known in the local area for being trouble, even as a child.

If they are a political party, they have just as much right as anyone else to put their views across.
People will then see them for what they really are. The only worry I have is that the protestors who don't want them there will stop the programme from running properly, and we won't get to see the real picture.

I can imagine though, that the proposed march by Action4Islam will only add fuel to his fire.....

Nick Griffin probably wants the protesters to kick off so that he doesn't get to go on the show. That means that he can continue to play the victim card and avoids having to actually answer any serious questions, win-win!

Urgh the whole thing is quite mindboggling. As a reasonable human being I agree that in a democracy and with freedom of speech everyone has a right to an opinion. However at the same time I find that such a despicable idealism shouldn't be given any credence. I also feel the same way about any "extremist" group of whatever religion, colour or whatever.

I expect if comes from being relatively boring! The problem is when you have something like a recession and there are people who feel that they are hard done by, the "extremist" groups are just so quick to jump on the bandwagon and unfortunately you will vote with the person that is likely to do you the most good. So I guess in a fictional world where you are the only person in your street that speaks english, who worships at the local church and yet is verbally abused/attacked by the rest of the street for being white and born in britain then you might see that the BNP would do the right thing for you. However we are fortunate that those people are few and far between, and the reason that the BNP are even at no 6 can be agreed that because we are lazy fuckers no one went and voted so those non voters can be blamed!
I am sure none of that makes sense but I have a very sore tooth and so can't think straight - perhaps if I go to QT on Thursday i might get in the middle of a rucus and have it knocked out!

The BNP on their website confirm: BNP "countering the smears" that they are opposed to mixed marriages because mixed marriages produce mixed race children. In other words they are opposed to the existance of mixed race children.

I resent my licence fee being used to promote this odious group.

HAve not read the whole thread, but would really like to know if people are looking to undestand where they are getting support from. Fine for liberal types in cosy lives to wring their hands at those working class people who follow them and just write them off as racist - as long as you continue to do this and ignore the reasons for tehir disenchantment, the more you will fall into the trap set by the BNP. Question time will be a fiasco for that reason - any CDEs watching will just see their views reinforced - ie that the main parties are out of touch with the lives of people who have to send their children to schools where English is predominately a second language. Labour has completely left behind any concern for people at the sharp end, and they will be the losers to the BNP unless they address their genuine frustration and fear rahter than driving it underground.

So do I! What do they propose happens to all the non-whites or whites partnered to non-whites? I can't bear to read their manifesto. Perhaps you could shed some light daftpunk.

Who did you vote for, daft punk?

MrsGhoul

The working class was far larger and far poorer in the 1930s.

The majority of them didn't vote fascist then so I don't see why they would vote fascist now.

Nothing to do with having a cosy liberal life and everything to do with not being a bigot.

"Nothing to do with having a cosy liberal life and everything to do with not being a bigot."

Well said!

I personally hope that those that voted BNP really haven't seriously looked into the party and it's policies, I find it hard to believe that there are that many stupid and nasty people out there. I'm sure that it's just people hearing a few sound bites and then doing a protest vote.

It's not just the BNP voters that are the problem, anyone that doesn't get out there and vote is a part of it.

'The working class was far larger and far poorer in the 1930s.

The majority of them didn't vote fascist then so I don't see why they would vote fascist now.'

There was no mass immigration to England in the thirties. On the contrary, people: especially groups like working class boys, were encouraged to migrate themselves to countries like Canada and Australia because the UK was considered overcrowded.

Of course, there always had been immigration by many different groups going on pretty continuously for centuries and centuries but numbers were far smaller relative to the indigenous population.

'people: especially groups like working class boys, were encouraged to migrate themselves to countries like Canada and Australia because the UK was considered overcrowded.'

Hmm, not sure that that's exactly true is it? I think it was more that they were encouraged to come by those countries because they needed people to work there adn it was seen as a good opportunity, rather than because Britain was seen as overcrowded.

As MIFLAW ssays, it has everything to do with not being a bigot. Pure and simple. It is WRONG to demonise groups of people for their difference, whether it be on the basis of colour, gender, age or anything else. Of course we must seek to understand and tackle the reasons why people choose to vote BNP, but I can see no valid reason why their policies should be acceptable to anyone in a civilised country.

There was mass immigration - and a bigger working class than now - in the 1950s and 1960s though. Again, the fascist vote was not the popular vote.

Why did we have that wave of mass immigration? Because British workers were not properly skilled for prestige jobs but did not want to do low-status jobs.

Ringing any bells?

FWIW in the reign of Elizabeth I the population was more like 5 million. Overcrowding was again a worry. Yet since then we've added 50 million through one method or another, and all that without a history of popular fascism or anti-immigration on anything except the most marginal of levels.

Of course there is a story behind the story. Of course people are voting BNP for a reason, many of whom would faint at the idea that they were racist or fascist.

But let's not simplify it into, "oh, they've got no work, how would you like it?"

How would I like it? I would shovel shit into a hole for minimum wage before I would blame another man or woman's skin colour for my inability to support myself and my family.

i might vote for the BNP.....i live in a democracy ....i can vote for whoever i like.

Of course you can DP, but it wouldn't be much of a democracy if they got into power, now would it?

And the question is not whether you can, but why you would.

Just followed the link to the BNP 'countering the smears'. Blimey, its mind-boggling. Couldn't read it all. And this is their defence of their policies?

WTF is a 'British genotype'? I really do hate pseudoscience. What earthly logic for defining it as the particular mongrel selection inhabiting the British Isles 1000 years ago?

maybe i agree with every word NG says..

and so what...it isn't against the law to vote for him.

Daftpunk

You are regularly to be found on threads such as these defending the right to vote BNP and telling us all that there is nothing to be ashamed of. Yet you are very coy about your own stance.

Do us a favour and say it loud and clear whether you generally approve of their "policies" or not.

Not asking whether you do vote for them - that's between you and the ballot box (though personally I would like to see all fascists imprisoned for treason, but that is sadly destined to remain a dream). But, hypothetically, do you think Nicky and the Gang are "good sorts" or "bad sorts"?

Legal party, nothing to be ashamed of, democratic right, etc etc.

So assuming you do vote BNP daftpunk, how do you propose that other groups in our society are represented - given that the BNP will not be serving their interests? Genuinely interested in your response.

..i generally approve of their policies.... but i haven't decided 100% if i'll vote for them ....but it's a possibility.

no real suprise...it's pretty obvious from my posts i'm very right-wing.

"very right-wing"

That's the funniest misspelling of "bigoted" I've seen in a long time.