The Tories are gonna get in, it's inevitable do you care? Is there an upside?

[TheDullWitch]

Oh why not have the election NOW. Let the buggers get in, show their true colours, become universally loathed, then get kicked out after one term. Come on, let's get on with it!

I feel quite heartened that I'm not alone in actually liking GB. He doesn't have charisma which seems to be the worst thing possible in politics but I'm pretty fed up with style over substance and think that's just what DC & GO are. And I can't help but picture George Osborne as the overpriviliged school bully with the permanent sneer who endlessly torments the kid who's had to work hard to get where he's got.

Is anyone watching Newsnight? I am almost probably maybe going to vote Conservative and then I see George Osborne being interviewed by Paxman... Frankly, embarrassing.

Thanks for those definitions.

I do understand why peplelike DC, I don;t at all but then I rarely concur with the main.

GO oth I do not understand, the description of him below is bang on.

What was that old quote of his- about how he knew lots of less well off peopl, some of the aprents at school were even solicitors or something (notb accurate so excuse mistakes)

Big case of there I am afraid

ho ho, i can see why people become shrill with you, someguy, you just run your own parallel discussion. not sure who was discussing interest rates, but it certainly wasn't me.

You said:

"the economy has collapsed because of the complete failure of the ultra free market ideology and constantly pumping credit into the economy in the hope that it will inflate indefinitely."

Credit = low interest rates. Which were controlled by the BoE with a remit set by Labour not to control asset prices, but only consumer prices.

Is Norway a utopia? Is it better than Bromley?!!!

I need much more info before I really decide what i think. Sod all the media saying Labour have been totally crap, have they really improved things?

The only things that come to mind is minimum wage, better NHS, tax credits for poorer families with children.

House prices, nursing care for the elderly, defence have all gone through the roof or the oher extreme- essential services like the Post Office cut. Crime seems to have escalated hugely, we now have a larger section of 'underclass' or 'workless' class and students are getting into massive debt they'll spend years paying off.

But I do feel quite ignorant so if people can enlighten me on how about Labour have made more things better after the Tories, then I'm open to listen.

I was a child in the 80's but they were awful for so many people. The yuppies were very rich and the poor really suffered.I don't want to see that again.

The problem is that the UK is dominated by the class system, which does affect everything.

"he should be put against a wall and shot for that piece of hubris alone."

Surely not. That is a bit strong.

Maybe people don't agree with what he has done. At least he has done something. Right now we don't know what the Tories will do because they have no plan to fix our economy, they have no future long term policy except wild mutterings about nothing in particular.

David Cameron is a wolf in sheeps clothing I can tell you that. And his wife in her £29 Zara shoes.

Oh the Tories are entirely abominable of course.

But regrettably they are the only party committed to tackling the mountain of debt that the Labour party have created. Public sector spending is out of control. So yes there is an upside.

Labour brought in civil partnerships, the privatisation of BT, the national min wage......lots of good things. I don't agree with everything they have done (the 15% VAT thing for example), but they have in all honesty brought in some good policies.

I can't see an upside. They have a survival of the fittest mentality. Ok if you are rich and sod everyone else.

Why don't the people give the lib dems a chance? I'm tempted. I'm so fed up of people saying they won't vote for them because they won't win.

Tories are the old boys network really aren't they?

How can you say the conservatives have no plans have you not been listening over the past few months and especially days?

"Credit = low interest rates."

well that really is quite a narrow, some might say skewed definition of credit.

Do Lib dems actually have any policies or do they keep sitting on the fence? At least with a tory you know what you are getting....

Sadly, whenever there is a recession people become much more conservative and cautious.

Money seems to get people's vote in the end. How can they get more of it or keep what little they have. I'm saddened that a lot of people don't see the bigger picture and take into account green issues and social injustice when they vote but it all boils down to the economy.

Because it's a two horse race labour or conservative so a vote for the lib dems is a wasted vote.

i'm sure it's better than paisley, honeydew!

Sorry, I posted this earlier from the conservative website:

To repair the broken economy in the long run, we need economic responsibility. That means:

• A responsible fiscal policy, bolstered by independent oversight.
• A responsible financial policy, bolstered by a renewed role for the Bank of England
• A responsible attitude to economic development that fosters more balanced economic growth

Yes, they have some short term measures that
they wish to put in place. However, their long term policy is nothing, no substance. So what is their 'responsible fiscal policy'? What is 'responsible financial policy'? etc.

Mabe I don't know enough about the lib dems but they seem to represent a saner middle path between the two big loons. I should shuffle off and read their manifesto really though before deciding for real!

I do know what I am getting under the Tories and tbh it worries me.

A vote for the Lib Dems is not a wasted vote if you live in a Tory/Lib Dem marginal.

I think that labour have gone too far one way but the Tories are likely to go too far the other. And so history repeats itself into infinity.

As Paxo said on Newsnight, they have accounted for just 7 billion of the 90 billion annual deficit with the measure they have announced so far. What else are they going to cut? I would like to see a proper budget proposal which goes some way more to meeting the 90 billion.

I think the very rich should be taxed accordingly but I agree that it's not fair to target the middle classes.
The poor should be supported and encouraged to work unless they are lazy like me!