suprised there is no thread on this, french close down "jungle"

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suprised as this will affect us
wonder if they will all be allowed over here now.
can we keep taking all these people, considering the goverment is talking about cutting education due to lack of money. it isn't like they are fleeing a war torn country.

Oh and in response to all the people who said the French are racists, there are French people who helping the migrants on a regular basis for years.

From what I have observed racism is more institutionalised and culturally acceptable in France but such generalisations about the French could equally be seen as racism.

Scaryteacher, many of these people do not want to apply for asylum in France.

Well of course they don't want to stay in France why would you when Britain is so much more lucatrive

I'm pretty sure the French have a healthcare and social benefit system which is more generous than ours.

here's a thought - maybe it's not about benefits

So why come here then if you are already in France, why would you inist on coming to this dump, frankly I'm in the que to get out along with any other educated professional with the opportunity to do so.
Soon you'll look around Britain with it's social justice and see the countries that these people fled recreated on your doorstep, your standard of living will fall instead of there's rising but if you're happy with that enjoy.

I don't think French healthcare is more generous than ours, as I believe one has to pay for an insurance/mutualite.

If the asylum seekers are safe in France, then they need to apply there for asylum; be accepted and then as an EU citizen have the right to come to the UK. Alternatively, we process their applications for asylum in Calais, and when refused get EU/French assistance to deport them.

In Belgium you have to prove that you have a job and that your partner can support you if you don't before you come here.

I don't think French healthcare is more generous than ours, as I believe one has to pay for an insurance/mutualite.

If the asylum seekers are safe in France, then they need to apply there for asylum; be accepted and then as an EU citizen have the right to come to the UK. Alternatively, we process their applications for asylum in Calais, and when refused get EU/French assistance to deport them.

In Belgium you have to prove that you have a job and that your partner can support you if you don't before you come here.

Like people have said earlier on the thread, because many of them already speak English and because they have family or friends in the UK. And despite MillyMollyMoo thinking that the UK is a dump it is paradise compared to the hell they have lived through.

Why would they prefer Britain to France? Partly because they have different immigrant communities in each, France's are mostly from its former colonies.
If you had to flee Britain, with only the clothes you stand up in; where would you rather go? New Zealand, say, where you speak the language and there's an expat community, or China, where you probably don't?

They're not looking for benefits (which you can't get as an illegal - it bears repeating) but to work illegally.
I don't think we should let them in by any means, but I do think we should talk about the situation in a less knee-jerk way.

Well Riven the problem you will have is when the country is full of the likes of you and not enough me's to support you, frankly you'll be fcuked.

But they don't work do they? If they are working illegally they don't pay tax, so are not contributing, but presumably will still use the NHS and the schools. Is that not a benefit?

Brussels has illegal immigrants - you see them begging in the entrances to supermarkets sometimes with their kids. Come 1700, along comes a big car, they get in and are driven off somewhere.

Oi MMM - leave Riven alone. That was uncalled for.

Some of the people in the Jungle are indeed worthy of deep sympathy. Others are not. A journalist was raped by one of the Jungle-dwellers.

You need to be here legally to register with GP, be treated in hospital etc, am sure someone medical can confirm that. Doubt a hospital would refuse to treat someone who had been run over by a bus if their documents weren't in order though.

And again, if you are living 'under the radar', think you'd struggle to get your kids into a school, no? presume the 'teacher' moniker is you in RL? Think you get many undocumented illegals in schools?

MMM - would love to know what country you plan to emigrate to that, er, doesn't allow immigrants. Good luck with that. Make sure the door doesn't hit your arse on the way out, now.

THOS - not in Cornwall, no. However, in a place with a transient population, yes, I expect you do.

I love it when you see all these people (particularly in comments sections on Timesonline) go on and on about immigrants ruining this country, it's going to the dogs, blah blah blah, that's it, I'm leaving. And then what exactly do you become? Erm, an immigrant. Hopefully in the country you move to you'll get all the "immigrants are here to steal our jobs/benefits" malarky that you spouted and will know what it's like to be on the receiving end of it.

Oh, and the comment about Riven, totally uncalled for. She is lovely (from what I've read about her on MN).

You would get immigrant children and refugee children, yes, but not the children of illegals. I have a form the local council sent me out to apply for DD's pre-school place, because she is registered as living at this address, asking for my council tax ref no among a raft of other stuff.
Not sure how you could possibly get a school place if you weren't officially living here. Send them to school and tell them to hide in a cupboard and listen to the teacher very quietly?

LOL @ this 'small, overcrowded island' tosh.

It's always used as an excuse to discriminate, IME, create a little invisible fence and say, 'Yes, let's let Commonwealth people in more than some EU nations', the rough translation being that the majority of Commonwealth nations are mostly fair white people and not those grubby Romanians and Bulgarians and God forbid! if they let Turkey in!

Ever been to or lived in Bangladesh? the Phillippines? Japan? Hong Kong?

That's over-crowded and small, folks. Not the UK.

And no, France and Germany are not all that much bigger than the UK.

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It's not tosh at all. France is considerably larger than Britain and considerably less populated, actually under-populated in many areas. England is now the most over-populated country in Europe. Even more so than Holland.

This is not zenophobia or racism. This is true. I'm the daughter of an immigrant, btw.

France is not 'considerably' larger. The US is. So's Canada.

Parts of Germany are incredibly crowded.

I'm an immigrant to the UK myself. Not a child of one, an actual naturalised Brit.

So I don't get this, 'It was okay for me/my parents/grandparents to come in, but not you'.