Identity of Baby P's Mother To Be Revealed Tonight.

[Nancy66]

Along with that of her boyfriend.

I'm loathe to defend or protect her but that can't possibly lead to anything good can it?

The names have been fairly easy to find online for quite a while but there's a hell of a difference between having to actively look for them and having her picture splashed across the front page of The Sun as it undoubtedly will be.

I saw that article too, stuffit. Very thought provoking.

The photos of baby Peter are so heartrending. Who cut his hair, bought his clothes, ensured he was fed? Because someone did, maybe the mother who was willing to allow his torture.

Edam's posts are very interesting re. the links to Islington and Laming.

I found this:
www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/aug/11/tracey-connelly-baby-p-mother
"...When the child abuse scandal that permeated Islington's homes was exposed in the 1990s the position of Connelly's relative was considered so serious that a separate report was written about him. Known as Child A, he was targeted by the paedophile ring as a victim and then groomed into becoming a kind of pied piper, luring other children from Islington homes into the grips of the group of abusers..."

I read that last night when it could not sleep.

When I was teaching in my previous school I had in every class at least one baby peter in every class who had managed to survive until becoming a teenager. It was a heart breaking soul destroying place to work.

It has reminded me why to use a much over quoted phrade every child does matter even those who seem the most difficult to love.

I am not excusing anyone in this case but if the mother or the two men involved in this case had been removed from dysfunctional homes and placed in quality loving homes this could have been prevented.

Do you know, after hearing the news just- I hope that the three of them die a miserable, painful death.

Its unbearable to read anymore about them. Unbearable.

Bastards.

I don't think they should be given new identities. Think of the money that could be spent on child protection being spent on that.

flatcap, that's very sad. Poor kids. Was there any help available to them?

How the Fuck did the SW miss human excrement and dead animals on a table top in the children's house FFS. This was a Mother and "family" that was meant to be highly monitored. I just don't know where to begin on this.

They all look like something that has crawled out of a stagnant pond. Monsters. I only hope the children left are getting love and kindness and it's not too late for them.

Yes I spent as much time doing "social work" as teaching tbh and it was very very draining which is why I left feeling very guilty. We also had very close links with social services, infact if a family moved into the area with child protection issues they came to us because we were known for being very good with them. But this "sucess" lead to the school becoming a ghetto. A shockingly high percentage of our students were on the child protection register, I am talking double figures. 10% of the girls in year 11 had a baby by time they left school. One of theses girls had taken home on of those mock babies, like the ones they had on big brother. When we took feedback from the doll, she had left it to cry for hours, shaken it and either kicked or beaten the doll.

Juju I have worked with a family who had excrement allover the place and although social srvices were involved they would not take the children.

That's so sad.

It is sad but you become normalised to it, in some ways it is only since moving to a school that is the opposite end of the social spectrum, but is stilla state comprehensive, that I realise how unusual it was.

My dd had a friend to stay last week who was a pupil at the school, she comes from a very normal loving family but she was just amazed when I took her to see my new school and where we now live. She has never experienced life other than living in that town and going to a school full of very needy deprived children with shabby buildings.

I don't see what naming these people actually achieves.

The children of the mother will be tainted with this for the rest of their lives.

I also get fed up with the self-righteous, sanctimonious, handwringing brigade who bawl for Baby P but at the same time, turn a blind eye to the fact that many children are subject to abuse in this country. In addition, despite the hyprocritcal outpouring of faux outrage, many of these people expect children to be seen not heard, complain about more than two teenagers gathered together and generally moan about children all the time.

If our society truly valued and cherished its children, there would be more intervention to protect children and more resources for our social services and other agencies to support families needing support. Screaming outrage and demonising the culprits of this evil crime does nothing to help Baby P or others like him. We need a mature debate regarding child abuse in this country and naming the culprits in this case does nothing to aid that, imho. The focus is now on demonising the culprits, not addressing the issues of what can be done to help children like Baby P.

Also, where was the biological father of Baby P? Baby P was not only let down by his weak and inadequate mother, his natural father appears to have abandoned him too.

Maybe I am looking at the world through rose tinted glasses buy maybe by naming them and releasing there story we can address the bigger issues. By having real names and stories it makes it more real. IT should not need to be this way but that is human nature.

I agree about the biological father.

From news around the time the story came out Peter's bio dad had said he felt that he had failed his son and that he tried to take him once but 'the mother' called police and they brought him back.

He was actively around at the start of the media circus but got out of the public eye when the media 'betrayed' him and exposed Peter's private grave after specific instruction not to which IMO is fair enough.

Juju I have worked with a family who had excrement allover the place and although social srvices were involved they would not take the children."

Speechless

It's a catalogue of disaster all round.

I think the social work profession needs to be beefed up. I once had a temporary job typing up reports on social workers in a London borough. The calibre of the social workers was actually shocking. They were almost illiterate, and often abandoned difficult cases. It appeared that some had pretended to visit some households which were intimidating. I should have contacted the press.

A social worker should be an authority figure with gravitas. They should be accompanied on their visits by some sort of 'bouncer' if necessary.

Ii can imagine if I had visited the Baby P home and been faced with those adults I would have been backing out of there pretty promptly and consequently missed the abuse.

According to the BBC, 4 children have been settled into new homes, so does this mean that Peter had 4 older siblings? I ask because it also mentions that Owens is a father of four, so I wondered if these were the children and not siblings of Peter?

Peter had a younger half-sister who was born in prison. I think she was adopted at eight months. Hope the poor child gets lots of support in the future if and when she decides to find out about her origins

That child must be the outcome of, well that coupling. Good God when they get to adulthood and find out the details of their history.

I know - there are a few dodgy clues about my bio family in my adoption notes. It has put me off investigating further to be honest.

The new parents will surely need extra help and input from specialists in order to raise her with absolute conviction of her self-worth. Another completely innocent life at risk...

It's difficult for the adult adopted child isn't it?

All FILknows about his 'Mum' is that she left him abandoned when he was IIRC 2.
My Aunt (FIL was adopted by the Mum of the Nursery Nurse in the care home; Aunt is that aldy) nows everything but will only tell FIL he is better of not knowing.

I am not certain of that; ones imagination tends to run riot when faced with that sort of information! However the point is moot as the adoption wasn't exactly carried out through rehgular channels and so only Aunt knows. FIL does think he found his 'Mum' but she had died before he got there and the family changed their mind about DNA test and contact at the last moment.

TBH if Aunt said to him 'Look, when you were found you were abdly beaten / you were the rpoduct of rape' or whatever- well I just think he needs those answers.

I have siblings who were taken into care, for some reason we were left behind. My sister and I have made a pact never to look for them or to make it in any way easy for them to find us as we would not wish our family history on anyone. They were toddlers when taken so I have always hoped they found a nice family who gave them a loving stable home. Whatever is in their imagination cant be worse than the reality.

It upset me awfully to think last night that instead they could have been passed between children's homes and substandard foster parents.

Peter had three older siblings, I think, and Owen (Barker's brother) had four children. So eight living in that horrible house, plus the 15yo (Owen's 'girlfriend'), plus the baby born while Connolly was in prison.

So many horribly damaged children. Yet Shoesmith and the others sacked as a result of this case, including the doctor who 'examined' Peter before he died, are all appealing.

Probably will get arrested for saying this - but I know where someone whose identity has been 'protected' lives. It's not hard to find out sometimes...