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Michael Jackson The Farewell

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KIMItheThreadSlayer · 07/07/2009 18:48

I think it is a rather nice send off,
Fitting.
Nice to hear others sing his songs

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pigletmania · 08/07/2009 13:26

Oh, and his children are not being used, they were simply saying goodbye to their daddy, like I did when I was 10 years old. My goodness, Prince Michael 2 looks so much like Michael.

purplemonkeydishwasher · 08/07/2009 13:27

oh and has anyone mentioned that he covered up those children's faces their entire lives to protect them and then as soon as he dies his family puts them on stage on international television??

pigletmania · 08/07/2009 13:28

good point purplemonkey

pigletmania · 08/07/2009 13:30

His children also have a say, if they want to say goodbye to their dad its their choice. They might have been asked whether they wanted to attend and they probably did. Apparently they hated the masks, i cant see them as teenagers wearing them.

TDiddy · 08/07/2009 13:31

purplemonkey - i don't think anyone is saying that MJ was normal or a model parent. I think we are saying that he was "not found guilty"/entitled to say that he was innocent/hounded by cash seeking spivs/naieve/brilliant/best entertainer ever/idealistic/childish/generous/.....

pigletmania · 08/07/2009 13:31

If they were really young than yes it might be inappropriate.

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AitchTwoOh · 08/07/2009 13:37

you are wrong that he is entitled to say that he is innocent, tdiddy. he's entitled to say that he was acquitted of all charges. you do see the difference, don't you?

TDiddy · 08/07/2009 13:38

"accurate description of his penis and testicles"- Bill Clinton will tell you that proves nothing!

I think I could have a good guess at that myself.

daftpunk · 08/07/2009 13:39
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TDiddy · 08/07/2009 13:41

Does the maxim, innocent until proven guilty apply in the US? You can rephrase as much as you like but I think you could say that he was innocent of the crime, couldn't he? How would you be able to challenge that?

dittany · 08/07/2009 13:41

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TDiddy · 08/07/2009 13:42

Apparently Bill's is pinkish and (very) bent to the left. There you go.

tiredsville · 08/07/2009 13:42

I may have my facts wrong, but I thought the description of his penis were inaccurate. Didn't Jordy state his penis was circumcised when it wasn't?

Lulumama · 08/07/2009 13:44

there is nothing innocent IMO about a grown adult male sharing his bed with not one, not two but many young boys. never girls. this was not about love for children and wanting to heal the world via the love of children.. this was consistent grooming of young boys. pre pubescent boys.

parents were wrong to allow their children to stay with him. but plenty of people would be blinded by the money, the fame, the lifestyle, a rolls royce.. oh, he coudl not possibly hurt our child, he's peter pan, totally child like and it is all just reliving his childhood

it is frightening that he got away with it time and time again.

and after teh first tine, he did not stop his inapporpriate relationships and friendships, he cold not stop as that was his sexual preference IMO.

he had enough money and power to indulge himslef.

and i can't seperate that from him as an artist.

daftpunk · 08/07/2009 13:44

dittany....you couldn't use that evidence....how the hell could that be proved?

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TDiddy · 08/07/2009 13:46

Well, I have agreed to settle a commercial contract for M's to avoid cost/risk of dispute in my previous life even though we though that we were right. Just possible that the cost of the fallout would have been greater.

dittany · 08/07/2009 13:51

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ilovemydogandmrobama · 08/07/2009 13:51

Think the youth of America could be forgiven for being a bit hazy as to what constitutes sex after the Clinton comment.

pingping · 08/07/2009 13:52

Just to point out Jordan Chandler came forward 3 days after Michaels Death and admitted that he was never sexually abused by Michael Jackson!!! and that his father made him lie so he could extort money!!! Michael was ill advised by Lawyers and friends to settle out of court on all these cases because if you read the report Michael at first refused to pay out to Evan Chandler! ( and anyways if any man abused my children there is not enough money on this earth that would make me except a payment!! IF any of the allegations were true the parents are sell outs and should feel ashamed of themselves!!!!)

The idiot that said about all the black people being there on this thread point to note that regardless of what Michael Jackson did to his own body he was a black man and contributed to opening many doors for 'Black' Artists on top of that he was the first 'black' artist to sell albums worldwide if it wasn't for the likes of Michael Jackson The RnB charts would not be the way they are now!!!

Also people forget how much this man helped people MJ spent most of his lifetime helping and aiding various charities!

I thought the memorial was great! Pleased that a grieving family took into account others who didn't know Michael but had supported him and his career!! If the Jacksons had closed off the whole thing there would of been devastated fans all over the world! I don't think it was about making money else they would of sold the tickets rather than give them away!!!

At the end of the day Michael Jackson was and will always be the biggest artist that we will ever see! Yesterday was about celebrating his career and a man that did so much for so many!!!!

Regardless if the children were there or not billon's would of still watched it and still went out and brought a DVD of it!! Prince Harry and William were both at Diane's funeral and were paraded in front of the whole world.

Least Michael's children got a chance to grieve in private with just close friends and family then given that chance to see how great there father was and how loved he was.

It was pretty clear that Paris was not forced to speak and it was a last minute choice she had made, I thought it was lovely what she said god bless her it may of helped people realise that Michael Jackson was more than a singer he was 3 little people's Daddy! No one can state he never loved or cared for them children since there birth he did every thing in his power to keep them out of the spotlight and away from the media unlike some stars who parade there children around like there the latest Prada bag!!

Rhubarb · 08/07/2009 13:54

I don't know enough about the Jackson case to possibly make a judgement on whether or not he was innocent.

On the outset, he seemed a very damaged young man who was trying to live his childhood over again, having been robbed of it the first time. In that way I could understand his wanting to surround himself with children to play with them - he was never allowed any friends his own age was he?

But when it came to sleeping with them. I don't know. Some of those close to him said he viewed it all as a sleepover, but as others have said, you don't share beds at a sleepover.

There are some kids who spent time with him, such as Macaulay Culkin who, just recently, said that Jackson never molested or touched him at Neverland.

I am puzzled by Jordy Chandler's parents. What mother, what father would go so far as to take Jackson to court on allegations of child abuse, and then accept a payoff instead? If their son was abused, wouldn't they want justice? Wouldn't they want to ensure he faced ruin and was never let near children again? How did they feel when the second allegation was made?

It's far too complex a case to make a judgement on Jackson. I don't know the psychological profile of the man, I don't know about his relationships with other people or the reasons behind his friendships with kids. Neither do any of you. If he were alive, it may be pertinent to discuss these things, since he still had access to children. But now that he's dead, leaving his own children fatherless, I do wonder about the point of discussing his supposed guilt.

pingping · 08/07/2009 13:58

Dittany read this and get your facts right

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Michael_Jackson

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