Michael Jackson The Farewell

[KIMItheThreadSlayer]

I think it is a rather nice send off,
Fitting.
Nice to hear others sing his songs

Its all too warped for me.

I'm just trying to remember that little boy with an amazing voice. Totally untrained. Wow. Thats how I'll remember him.

Upwind - I didn't mean it like that. I'm basing that statement on the fact that he was never proven a paedophile. My argument stays though that I just cannot agree with parents letting their child sleep with a man who is not related to them. Its a weird as the man himself. Surely you have to agree with that?

Aitch, you have more patience than I do. Well done for carrying on.

I've read the first VF article

Pretty damning stuff really. I'll keep good grief as to how it's making me feel.

I get it now, the old 'muddy the waters with a wicked & stupid woman' defence chestnut. Disgraceful (and sadly quite brilliant).

Can I just say that I do not think the parents of an abused child, even if they have been terribly naive/greedy etc are at all on a par with the abuser.
I know people whose lives have been destroyed through child abuse and do not want to come across as someone who could ever justify that.
I just worded my sentence badly and hope I haven't caused any offence.

it's interesting, isn't it, slub?

and as jimmy cricket used to say... there's more. she kept following the story all through the trial and is no doubt writing another right now.

did you see that her suspicions re Pellicano's treatment of witnesses was likely correct and that he's in prison now?

aitch...thank you, will read the articals.

i'm just not sure what the constant banging on about those allegations is achieving?....do you feel he escaped conviction because of his wealth?...was Gary Glitter only convicted because he was a naff 70's glam rocker with no money?..... those allegations totally destroyed MJ imo.

there are millions of awful people out there doing terrible things to other humans, become a social worker if you want to put all your energy into child protection....i can tell you now MJ wouldn't even make your "reason for concern" file.

Michael Jackson will be remembered by the vast majority of people for his music.

I did see that Aitch. As you say, not a very nice man.

dp I stumbled onto this thread (I never do shouty threads btw) because I didn't think the production of the memorial last night was up to much. But it's got me thinking about the image of the man that was portrayed last night is so way way out of kilter of the man that is being written about in the VF articles. I think that's an interesting thing...the power of money and all that.

I thought it was rather moving - bit too west coast for me in style but moving nontheless.

Struggling to see how the children were "used" - they were his children in the cared for sense at least and the little girl at the end was very genuine. A bad choice to have them on stage maybe but hardly a cynical manipulation decision at the time....

Struggling to see how the children were "used" - they were his children in the cared for sense at least and the little girl at the end was very genuine. A bad choice to have them on stage maybe but hardly a cynical manipulation decision at the time....

From what I understand he had a cinemawhere instead of seats there were open-sided bedrooms where you could watch a film in bed and 'drop off' to sleep.From what I remember the kid's description of MJs willy was completely wrong he sid it was circumcised.
I understand that Jordy chandler has in anycase recanted his allegations against MJ

I think people should be more careful what they post, one or two posts are libellous We don't want MN getting sued.

Aitch, I have a degree in it. And I wasn't using my legal training to make any aspertions on the thread itself. If you will read my post again (never misquote, all part of your legal training ) I was referring to the speculation on whether or not he was guilty.

What the media report on is one thing, what the facts are, are entirely different. And there will be a great many facts about the case that were never revealed to the public, from both sides. Forensic evidence may have also been included which would have damned him or not.

BUT the jury found him not guilty. So why do we still think he is? Here is what the jury of 8 women and 4 men said "We the jury feel the weight of the world?s eyes. We thoroughly studied the testimony, evidence, rules and procedures. We confidently came to our verdict.?

Afterwards a female juror stated;
"The evidence said it all. We had a closet full of evidence that made us come back to the same thing?that there wasn?t enough? to convict. ?Things didn?t add up,?

So, why do people still think he is guilty?

well I have just arrived here - not sure I will bother again !! I thought this was supposed to be a supportive network for mum's not a slanging match ! thanks but no thanks

Rhubarb and Katiestar- people prfer to form their own opinions from tabloids rather than the jury. If people say they have doubts then I wouldn't argue but those who say they are sure that he is guilty, I find a bit annoying.

Just a reminder for you all: Michael was odd and probably immature but that doesn't make him a paedo and he was the BEST ENTERTAINER EVER!! You can't change that. Nah nah nah anah

How is the running in the hills Pan? Good to have some more reasonable and reasoned voices on this thread.

I didn't do libel law, just criminal law. But I don't think you can libel the dead. I don't know though, perhaps his family can sue for damages?

Just caught this on the news now and saw that little girl crying. I'm sure people have already said on this thread that she was forced to say something, told to cry etc etc. But it seemed pretty heartfelt to me.

I don't know if MJ was a paedo or not. But the case was settled in court, he's now dead and has children who loved him and miss him. For those reasons I'm not going to speculate on his guilt.

dittany...come on...leave it now...this thread was started by kimi as a tribute to MJ..maybe we should end it with a fab MJ song....?

That article is the most preposterous thing I've ever read in a long time! Full of speculation and even the author admitted that you could buy anyone or anything. So presumably, for the right money, they'd tell you what you wanted to know.