Smoking in cars with children

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I have just seen that there is a proposal that it should be banned (as it is in some countries) given the concentration of toxins in a limited space.

What do you think?

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8079357.stm

Er, read the thread. The argument is not ABOUT climate change.

Err, did, thank you, and don't shout.

The thread was about smoking in cars with children, the poster made very accurate comments about other forms of cancer causing products and you choose to turn it into a slanging match about climate change, because low oxygenisation of the atmosphere is climate change.

Maybe if you spent less time being rude and more time reading scientific data you may have had a reasoned debate on the subject, but your immaturity along with the other poster showed that you were more inclined to act like a child and try to gang up on a poster who actually has done the research and understands the complexities of climate change/ low oxinisation.

Mumsnet or childrens hour?

interesting sort of

Quotes 50% decrease in oxygen levels. Since prehistoric times. And written by the famous scientist, peter tatchell.

Maybe this is where atlantis is getting her info from.

gokhuvegeta you would agree with the assertion that the oxygen levels in the atmosphere have decreased by 50% in the last 50 years? Interesting.

Climate change linked to oxygenation, yes. But a 50% decrease in breathable oxygen in the last 50 years, surely not?

Listen very carefully, I will say this only once.
The other poster made the following statements, which they were unable to produce any evidence to support.

1. the amount of breathable oxygen in the air has decreased by 50% in the past 50 years.
2. the biggest cause of childhood cancer is aspartame. If you would like to try your hand at standing up either of these statements go ahead.

Actually I've read this somewhere too, I'm not sure if it was 50 years exactly or since the 1950's, but I know it was one of the reasons that people have started drinking oxygenated water and eating fresh vegetable's without cooking them, brings the oxygen levels up apparently.

I also remember reading it was part of the reason so many children now have asthma.

I suppose it's not all that shocking really, considering in the next 50 years they are predicting another drop in the oxygen levels and we wont need to worry about starving to death we will all suffocate before then.

Climate change, what a wonderful thing.

Thanks Atlantis for creating an interesting debate.

Climate change linked to carbon dioxide increase and less foliage etc to deal with it all, with less oxygen being a side effect rather than a cause, surely. Oxygen levels over years being handy guide as to how atmosphere was constructed and levels of oxygenation linked to amount of photosyntesising plants around. Warming of planet exacerbated as melting ice caps etc release carbon deposits laid down in carboniferous period. Ditto oceans which are huge carbon dump.

cerboniferous period if anyone is interested which is where the 50% more oxygen idea seems to be coming from.

Wow, LGP, you really do not like to be told your wrong do you.

Everyone knows about aspartame causes cancer, there have been several programmes on it, the only safe and it's not that safe sweetener is stevia.

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Oh this is fabulous.

We do not get our oxygen from eating vegetables. We breathe it in, like, using our lungs.

"People have started drinking oxygenated water"???? Never heard that one before. What people have started drinking in the last 50 years is lots of carbonated fizzy drinks - will people who consume a lot of these suffocate?

Superb stuff.

Methinks that atlantis is a trigger happy on the name changing front

Actually LTOS oxygenated water is big business, and I never said it worked, I have no clue at to the science behind it, but I believe tap water contains oxygen? otherwise it would be stagnant?

And I don't think coke is the same thing !

So basically, 300 million years ago 35% of air was oxygen. It gradually decreased and has been stable at 20% for hundreds of years.
Are we all agreed on that?

No, I don't like to be told I'm wrong by morons who quote 'everybody knows' without so much as the slightest little factoidette to back up their assertions. You are quite right there.

LTOS - methinks you are right!

Why would anyone need a cigarette on a car journey? Bloody ridiculous that laws need to be made to prevent ignorant and selfish parents from damaging their children, as well as making them stink like ashtrays.

Carseats and seatbelts are fully enforcable, so can smoking be too.

I agree with you posieparker, you can't smoke on public transport why would you need to smoke in your car, much better if smoking was banned all round.

Foster parents aren't allowed to smoke so why should giving birth give you the right?

LGP,

I haven't called you a name so why are you attacking me, the last time I looked anyone can post on mumsnet if they join, who made you Boss?

Why don't you stop attacking people?

Manners cost nothing.

Atlantis "Take your alter ego custard and do some more research." are you infering that i am lady Palliser? I'll have you know i have never been a Lady

as far as i have seen atlantis/gok - you have presented shit all research.

i actually don't give a shit about the argument at hand but rather the fact that you continually berate posters who challenge you.

the 'pink elephant' analysis was clearly mockery. i presented something clearly not true - presented it as being true and then challenged You [the reader] to prove it not to be so ...which in effect is what you are doing

you present an argument - via a satement - which is yours and say "this is a fact" but is it?

you prove your methodology sweetmeat - it is your assertion after all

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however

"The rise in carbon dioxide emissions is big news. It is prompting action to reverse global warming. But little or no attention is being paid to the long-term fall in oxygen concentrations and its knock-on effects.

Compared to prehistoric times, the level of oxygen in the earth's atmosphere has declined by over a third and in polluted cities the decline may be more than 50%. This change in the makeup of the air we breathe has potentially serious implications for our health. Indeed, it could ultimately threaten the survival of human life on earth, according to Roddy Newman, who is drafting a new book, The Oxygen Crisis.

I am not a scientist, but this seems a reasonable concern..." from here

or

"On the basis of a carbon isotopic record of both marine carbonates and organic matter from the Triassic-Jurassic boundary to the present, we modeled oxygen concentrations over the past 205 million years. Our analysis indicates that atmospheric oxygen approximately doubled over this period, with relatively rapid increases in the early Jurassic and the Eocene. We suggest that the overall increase in oxygen, mediated by the formation of passive continental margins along the Atlantic Ocean during the opening phase of the current Wilson cycle, was a critical factor in the evolution, radiation, and subsequent increase in average size of placental mammals." from here

i tried to get a definition of prehistoric just to make sure - and it is simply before written accounts

so how the fuck you can compare it is beyond me - but it doesn't mean you can't - a science bod needs to come and explain things a little clearer me thinks

I apologise if I offended you.
Now, tap water indeed contains oxygen the same as any other water, whether it comes out of a tap, a holy well, a lake or a river. It is all H2O, that is two molecules of hydrogen and one of oxygen. Adding more oxygen will not help increase the oxygen levels in our bodies in any way whatsoever.

Cheers Custardo. I've never been a yellow slimy thing either.

slimy

All right then. Slidgy.
How do you describe the texture of custard anyway?

smooth and silky

A water molecule contains an atom of oxygen yes, but water also has oxygen dissolved in it. Which is enormously important for things that live in water (and why you need lots of plants and/or a pump in a fish tank), but as we don't have gills, not that much use to us.

Thanks for explaining that TFM.

I'm not here to draw you a map custard, if you can't be bothered to do the leg work that's down to you, do you ask every poster on here for proof of their comments I wonder?

I'm sure noone appreciates your language, do you kiss your children with that mouth?

As for pink elephants, they are a minority group and probably should not be singled out for fear of the human rights brigade.

Toodles.