Light sensors cause religious row

[OldLadyKnowsNothing]

Story here.

Maybe they should just move?

i'll take it you're not a "liberal jew" then lil.... would you also presume to speak on behalf of black people / catholics / rumanians??

am off out now...

Just to add that religion is not always about believing at all costs. It is about the chasm between doubt and faith, about uncertainty, about dark times and light times. It is a complex, agonising and intellectually wrought issue. Of which atheists seem often unware.

Just before I go Olympe- but why would you want to put yourself through that?

Poppity, if you have no word other than "superstition", you are being censored by the religious if you agree to stop using it. Where's the balance between them choosing to be offended where no offence was intended, and you no longer being able to express a fairly important concept?

sorry re last post had only finished half of it, don't know what happened but I think a toddler might have had a helping hand.....

"I don't agree with the environmental issue though as having lights on, whether permanently or not, will not use as much electricity/fuel as televisions, music equipment, cookers, cars.
Which they are not going to be using, so having a light on will be more than compensated by them not using the items I have just mentioned"

OlympedeGouges just because someone is an atheist, does not mean they have never had a faith.

Poppity "why would you want to put yourself through that?"

You could say the same about marriage but at the end of the day, many humans have an irresistable urge, which is part of their nature, to live in companionship with another human.

(Many other humans, as an irresistable urge, which is part of their nature, have a desire to live in communion with a divine source that that feel runs through the world and their lives. This is not quite the same as not walking under a ladder.)

OlympedeGouges, I used to have a faith but when I started to question what I was meant to believe as apposed to my true beliefs, I decided that being part of my church was no longer the right thing for me.

I tried to go to a different church, but was still at odds with what I was being told so left there after a few years.

Hearing all the hell, fire and brimstone as a child, made going to church a pretty scary place.

ooh yes you are being censored

I am agnostic btw. And many atheists are able to argue their points without being insulting. I repeat it is disingenous to claim that the word superstition is not belittling.

I know. That poor Bertrand Russell. He really struggled to fill all those pages of books when all he needed to do was reach for the word "superstition" and he'd have saved himself all that trouble...

It's more of an amalgam of faiths, StewieGriffinsMom.

If someone is a Christian, then they're a Buddhist atheist, a Muslim atheist, a Jewish atheist etc etc. I just disbelieve in one god more.

Richard Dawkins is the Rolf Harris of atheism

No offence meant (who doesn't LOVE Rolf Harris?)

control I wasn't speaking on behalf of anyone, just me.

Back to the original story - may the reluctance of the others/managment company to accomodate the demands/requirements of this couple not perhaps be driven by the fact it is a holiday home as opposed to their main residence. I feel fairly sure many would think 'Oh bugger off - why should we change to suit you when you are only here once a month., for example. Without any reference to the importance to the couple of the religous aspect of - probably because the majority of the UK do not apply such limitations to their day-to-day life in the name of religon (of any variety).

This lack of point of reference may also explain some of the robust language earlier in the thread - if you don't believe or apply similar limitations to your life then their request may seem indeed seem ludicrious and worthy of a FFS.

of course not Hello Beastie. Where on earth did I infer that?

Agree with all you are saying Lenin.

olympede if we start banning words how can we explain what we think. e.g. many think that religion is a belief system not based on any fact or logic.

Now if you don't allow us to make describe that using the word superstition, what should we use??????

Lil: What's wrong with the word 'religion'?

What sentence would you struggle to complete if you weren't allowed to use the word 'superstition'?

Hear hear Olympe and MP
The Roman Catholic church often gets a particular kicking on here, in answer to the question a while back as to whether Judaism is singled out for particular hostility
Like all fascists, Nick Griffin and co will be directly antagonistic to organised religion

1. because it is often linked to cultural/ethnic heritage
2. belief in a divine power can compromise the mindless obedience that the Nazi Party relied on to poison postwar German society

stewiegriffinsmom - the whole "atheism a faith" thing has been thoroughly taken apart and discredited. It's tosh, poppycock and balderdash.