UK paedophile probed over Madeleine

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hooray,did it !!

In other words it provides a coping mechanism for the potentially massive backlash, should it occur.

Think about it...you have no idea someone is lying to you, you suspect nothing. Suddenly you find out they were lying over an extended period of time. You are shocked to the core and very very confused and angry. You were totally unprepared.

OR you suspect that you may be being lied to. This enables you to allow sufficient detachment within yourself that when you find you were correct in your suspicions, your level of attachment to the person/situation is not as intense as it would have been had you been completely hoodwinked. therefore the damage to yourself is smaller, albeit slightly.

Being prepared can help in a situation like this.
I believe where there is reasonable cause for suspicion or unanswered questions, even in a wider situation and within a public interest case such as this, the same tactics are effective and for some, arguably necessary.

Well done Katie!

I was flicking through Snopes a while back, and was shocked by the few stories where children had been reported missing and had actually been killed by their parents. One woman apparently killed her 12 yr old because the mothers boyfriend had told her to choose between him and her daughter.

I am not saying the McCanns had anything to do with their daughters disappearance, but I admit to being totally shocked that sometimes parents make this choice

Katiestar said "You could sat that in the case of any parents whose child has been murdered.But statistically the majority of children who are murdered, die at the hands of their family."

Two points:
1)I don't know why some of us try to compare these sort of tragedies. Do we really want to ration our sympathy to ensure that we are proportionately sympathetic depending on case circumstances? That attitude is a bit like saying I will not any homeless person in the UK because they are all better off than millions in India and Africa. What kind of attitude is that. Sympathy is endless and doesn't need to be rationed.

2)You statistic reference is unkind and presumptuous. If you operated a statistical approach to justice then you would simply look up some sort of probability table to decide if someone is guilty. I urge you to give the parents the benefit of the doubt. They are innocent until we know otherwise. Why rush to accuse them when we run a high risk of compounding their pain with such insensitivity. Surely that sort of attitude serves no purpose? What was that Meryl Streep movie about the woman whose baby was taken away by a coyote and no one believed her and she went to jail....

I quote you another statistic: most parents don't kill their own children. You can twist statisics how you want so please don't make you mind up using generalities.

Lots of love

TD - are you sure you are on the correct thread? This thread is not about blaming the parents for M's disappearance, it is questioning the ethics of 'outing' someone who has not been proved to have any connection with the case! He is innocent unitl proved guilty and it is diabolical to splash someone over the front pages on NO EVIDENCE. ( Isn't that supposed to be M's view of teh publicity that surrounded them - so why do they let their stooges, paid for by the Fund behave like that?)

Goncalo Amaral has been convicted of falsifying evidence in another missing child case. Is it his M.O to accuse the mother, so he doesnt have to find the real culprit?. Now his "documentary on maddie" looks like a desperate attempt to save his own skin IMHO....perhaps if a competent/non-corupt person was leading the case at the time the little girl disapeared , what really happened would be known and the girl might have been found by now...The McCanns and friends should not have left their children alone, but they are still going through a nightmare.... my heart goes out to them,( one of mine wandered off with a friend ,from our garden when he was about 4...he was missing for over an hour.We were lucky ,the police picked ds2 and friend up 5 minutes away from our house before any harm came to them( they were going fishing ,heading to the beach).I have never been so scared in my life.)

Did the portugal police search through the list of local peadophilles/ abductors? If so, did they even know about the british one? Do they have to declare their crimes when abroad?

DITTANY so whats the 18 months for then?

Guilty people do everything in their power to keep quiet and put the past behind them- they do not continually put themselves out there and seek publicity.

Jane Tanner was always the key witness in this case (not that I ever believed the McCanns to be guilty of anything other than a tragic, heartbreaking and unlucky mistake).

FWIW, given that 2 sets of people saw a man holding a similar looking child in a strange way that cold night about 40 minutes apart, together with the reaction of the dogs, I do think it possible that she was sadly dead before leaving the apartment, but if I was her parent then I don't think I could ever stop looking for her either.

"convicted" may have been the wrong word to use...."found guilty" would have been better.

Toughdaddy, why did you put 'lots of love' at the end of your post?

Like to know your take on my argument as well, when you get a moment.

Dongles...I'm afraid I don't consider the point about guilty people not seeking to publicise terrbily plausible as an invariable

I think it is actually quite common for people who have committed some form of deception or crime to revisit the scene, to be heavily involved with the case, etc etc

as a sort of complex double bluff.

I have no idea of the accuracy of the documentary and the points it makes, however if it is accurate, and the McCanns insisted repeatedly that their window was forced open, and there was no evidence of this whatsoever - I am unsure what to make of that.

dittany, the mother and uncle of the other missing girl were accused of murdering her , there was no body found (same as maddie) and later they said they were tortured into confessing.... the police involved said the mother tried to commit suicide by throwing herself down the stairs- hence the injuries.... well stairs are a well known guarenteed way of commiting suicide not.

What an extraordinary thing to do - publish this chap's name. What can be gained from that? Surprised the papers printed it.

Mind you, this case has been full of surprises.

This rather timely event with Amaral is going to benefit the EU and the USA - please see the Hauge information, EU Commission, Eurojust and the Lisbon Treaty for clarifiacation.

The Vatican have recently joined Eurojust.

The Grandparents and friends are reported today as having been in or are in Portugal praying at relgious Shrines...with 'anonymous' messages saying Madleine will hopefully be home to blow out her candles next year...

oh yes, there will be much wailing on the streets..

'prayers' will have been answered..

Time to think!

National , i see your point.. like the woman who murdered her fiance, then blamed a road rage driver? Tracey something i think?.Dont know about the window myself, but am hard pushed to believe a police squad that has known liar leading the investigation.

NationalFlight- do you mean the point you made about the suspicion to the McCann family serving as coping mechanism just in case they are lying? If so, I see your point and it is a good one and probably valid explanation. However, it is not a generous approach but in fact a very cynical approach to have?

I was said LoL to Katiestar in a generous spirited way as I think that is often missing in how people feel towards K&G McCann.

I think it is clear the Portuguese police do not know their ares from their elbow.

The photo fit does look like this known offender, but how true a likeness are these things?

Thankyou Toughdaddy...I think cynical but also defensive.

Particularly when those whose story may be in doubt are seeking so forcefully to convince the public that they are deserving of trust...it can backfire in terms of creating a defensiveness among the wider newsreading population.

...and I think the word you were looking for re LOL is 'sarcastic'...

Actually I tholught the portuguese police were pretty hopeless too until the files became public I read them and saw that the investigations they did were thorough but when they tried to force certain issues it was made difficult for them.This man has been eliminated and even the mccanns own PR is saying he is only one of many 'of interest'.If he was a serious suspect he wouldn't be splashed all over the press like that

NF- there was only a hint of sarcasm. I actually did mean to send warm wishes to Katiestar.

I don't see why we need to be defensive when the impact on us is so marginal cf. to what is at stake for the McCann family. Anyway, I might be cutting across the main debate on this thread. Warm wishes