UK paedophile probed over Madeleine

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no it is still believed that ben Needham was abducted for the illegal adoption trade. But he was much younger and would have adapted to a new life..

When Madeleine went missing illegal adoption was considered but ruled out because of her age.

I dont think the McCanns should take a lie detector test. They may be completely innocent, and any false result (given they're not 100% reliable) would have too much backlash.

Only one (or maybe more) people know what happened to Madeline, whether she was taken and harmed by an individual, suffered at the hands of her parents, or is being cared for by peasants, nobody but those few know.

I think, sadly, this will turn out like Ben Needham, and in 10/15 years time, there will be another child who goes missing, and people will sit on the internet typing "they never found that Madeline McCann..."

I do hope the family get peace in the future; I can think of nothing worse than enduring what they are going through.

I find the expression 'peasants' incredibly offensive, however casually it has been bandied about but the detectives paid for by the MM Fund.

This article about the Ben Needham case is interesting:

Times May 07

At the time the illegal adoption route was dismissed as they would definitely have taken one of the twins who were a lot younger

BST - very interesting article!

Goncalo Amaral (you know the first co.ordinator of the investigation) who believes Madeleine died and her parents hid her body) has today been found guilty of falsifying a document in a Faro court.

He and 5 other detectives were accused, variously, in connection with the torture of the mother of Joana Cipriano (who was found guilty of her murder).

It was proved in court that she was tortured but impossible to prove who did it.

Goncalo Amaral was sentenced to 18 months prison suspended for 18 months.

This whole topic really does bring out the very worst in MN. It's unbelievable the drivel written here.

Oh come on mumonthenet ,it is fairly standard practice for child murderers to get a good kicking suffer accidental bumps at the police station over here.Not usually allowed to get as far as court though.

why doesn't striking out a word ever work for me ?

Why can't people give this family the benefit of the doubt. Some of us are so so cruel. Can't believe that anyone with a child would be so insensitive as to not feel sympathetic.

quite, Katie.

Not usually allowed to get as far as the court in Portugal either. But this time...

Just watched that documentary

very disturbing

The most disturbing thing about this case is the political interference by the British government.

That, and the ostensible unwillingness of the British media to ask questions that have gone unanswered due to that political interference.

Even on these forums, people who ask questions are quickly hushed up.

It's bizzare and deeply suspicious.

I'm always surprised that people still say that lie detector tests aren't reliable. They are completely reliable if ministered properly.

bobbysmum07- please don't mistake compassion for conspiracy. The reason that people get cross is that in this situation we punters shld give the parents the benefit of the doubt. If they are innocent then insensitive speculation amounts to unforgivable cruelty? I see it as good manners to a suffering family not to compound their pain.

'I'm always surprised that people still say that lie detector tests aren't reliable. They are completely reliable if ministered properly.'

Are they? Because the psychopath Theodore Bundy passed many of them with flying colours. He did because he was a psychopath. He knew what he did was wrong in the eyes of society by he did not care.

You feel compassion for these people because you identify with them and you think you know them.

You've been manipulated into feeling that way by a very clever publicity machine.

There are inconsistencies in what these people have said that need to be explained. There are questions that need to be answered. By your reasoning, they shouldn't be asked at all - just in case.

What about the truth in all of this? Or doesn't it matter?

Ach, bobs, the poor bairn's probably long dead. If that is so, then why not the folks find out so they can bury her and all get some peace?

bobbysmum07 - in some ways I am quite different to the McCann's and in other ways I can identify. But I am a toughie and cannot be manipulated - ask anyone :-).

However, I think empathy and good manners should override cyncism. All the speculation has introduced some doubt in my mind as to what happened that night. BUT as things stand, these parents have lost their child and are desperately trying to find out what happened. I would rather find out later that I was deceived than find out that I had accused innocent parents. To take the opposite approach seems deeply cynical and cruel beyond words.

God I hope Kate or Gerry McCann NEVER log on here and read some of the posts which are hurtful in the extreme. These parents have lost a much loved child and their other two children have lost a sister. Whatever the rights or wrongs of the investigations, whatever the rights or wrongs of the decisions Kate and Gerry made that night nothing can take away this overwhelming loss. I could feel choked at times when I see Kate McCann on the TV - she looks like a traumatized person and I honestly don't know how she or her husband face each new day. Maybe because they HAVE to for their twins and MAYBE because they have not given up hope that Madeleine is still alive.

There have been many cases where children have been found years after abduction (and I realize many cases where they have not) but if I was in Kate's shoes I know which camp I'd be basing my hopes on.

ToughDaddys post makes alot of sense. Likewise I would much rather find out I was deceived than accuse innocent parents who are desperate enough that they will use any publicity at their disposal to keep their daughter's name in the public eye.
Nor do I give a flying fig what they use the fund for - if it's to keep a roof over their heads because Kate McCann can no longer face work then so be it.

I just find all this speculation about a family who have lost so much disturbing.

Does anybody remember watching a documentary about the Ben Needham case? It was a good few yrs back now,i think it might have been when he turned 18? Not sure but anyway they hypnotised his uncle who was about 17ish when Ben disapeared & at first he didnt want to be but he eventually agreed.

The hypnotist asked him questions about that day & he answered them,the uncle was leaving on his scooter & there was workmen at the bottom of the road resurfacing the road & when the hypnotist asked him if he had put Ben on the back of his cooter he suddenly refused to answer anymore questions & got quite angry.

tough Dad You could sat that in the case of any parents whose child has been murdered.But statistically the majority of children who are murdered, die at the hands of their family.

Katie, you have to put the two -- on either side of each word, then it shoudl work

Toughdaddy, I would suppose that the reason some people cannot give this family the 'benefit of the doubt' is that the alternative version of the events they describe is absolutely unthinkable, and some people find it impossible not to prepare themselves for that version eventually emerging as the truth after all this.

People want to be prepared. If they are not, they will have to suffer unspeakable anger against the family for propagating a huge fraudulent myth, not to mention their part in the disappearance of the child, plus anger against themselves for believing it.

This is why it is hard for some to give the benefit of the doubt, because if it turns out to be a pack of lies, and they are not vigilant to the possibility, they won't know how to handle their feelings about that when it happens.

Hope that makes sense.